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#1 2010-07-22 16:40:36

velocity
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From: Perth
Registered: 2010-05-14
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Stacking dollars

Wondering what people's thoughts were on having some physical cash as well as PMs?

This comment at FOFOA's blog got me thinking about the Australian currency production, anyone have any ideas if its a similar case?:

"I investigated the rate at which the Bureau of Engraving and Printing can print currency. It has remained fairly constant, but the interesting statistic is that the vast majority (I think over 90 %) must go just to replace worn out currency. When the great hording begins, and Gresham’s law kicks in, actual currency will be very scarce and command a premium over cyber money, just as actual gold will command a premium over promises to deliver actual gold. "

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#2 2010-07-22 16:46:29

goldpelican
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Re: Stacking dollars

velocity wrote:

When the great hording begins, and Gresham’s law kicks in

I think many would argue Gresham’s law (or Copernicus Law depending on who you want to credit) happened in 1966 in Australia.

What supposed forthcoming "great hoarding" is being referred to?

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#3 2010-07-22 17:01:20

fiatphoney
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Re: Stacking dollars

To effect a currency shortage we could expect to see a 'bank holiday', or perhaps  some kind of solar storm cutting off electronics. Hence holding some cash to carry over a minimum of two weeks of total expenses. Kind of like road being cut off by a flood / cyclone preparation, as some communities experience almost yearly.

However initial demand for actual currency, will give way to demand for actual money.

Some people are saying how wonderful high interest rates are at the moment - just consider the real rate of inflation, not just the reported 'official' one.


But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.  Deut 25:15         A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight. Prov 11:1

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#4 2010-07-22 18:26:42

mpowerin
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From: melbourne
Registered: 2010-06-06
Posts: 818

Re: Stacking dollars

judging by the signal strength my mobile and others are getting lately i wouldnt count on electronic systems or sat comms - anyone else having reception issues lately or is Vodaphone just crap?

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#5 2010-07-27 15:11:34

AGgressive Metal
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From: Kentucky
Registered: 2009-09-02
Posts: 92

Re: Stacking dollars

I think its prudent to have 2 weeks of normal expenses in hard currency hidden in your house.  "Real" cash trumps cyber-cash during any kind of emergency, as has already been mentioned.  Obviously if there is a "total collapse" it won't help you much, but a bank holiday is just as likely if not more likely.  Or what if you get cleaned out by an identity thief, for instance.  If you lose all your digital money at least you'll be able to eat until your next paycheck.

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#6 2010-07-27 15:28:49

Auspm
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Registered: 2010-02-17
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Re: Stacking dollars

Well nearly all of my ongoing transactions are cybercash anyway.  In such an emergency all you really need cash for is food and transport costs.

If we're at the point where bank accounts are frozen etc, the land lord can go eat cake along with the bank.

If this was wide spread folks, this ceases to be the problem of the individual - but the bankts and government.

All you'll need cash on hand for is a visit to the shops for food and fuel to gtfo of dodge.


Who is John Galt?

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#7 2010-07-27 15:49:42

AGgressive Metal
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Re: Stacking dollars

Good point Auspm, but if there is a crisis, it may take what is 2 weeks worth of expenses during normal times to purchase a few days worth of necessities since there will be a rush on the stores.  Like what if petrol prices go crazy because of a war or something?  I don't know, I'm sure I can come up with endless 'what ifs' so ultimately everyone has to weigh the probabilities based on their specific location and needs.

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#8 2010-08-11 22:09:21

errol43
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Registered: 2010-04-13
Posts: 76

Re: Stacking dollars

I find it hard to believe that all you stackers only stack silver and gold.

Regards Errol 43

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#9 2010-08-11 23:37:39

Clawhammer
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From: Brisvegas
Registered: 2010-02-26
Posts: 1040

Re: Stacking dollars

I've got about $300 worth of $5 notes spiralled around the inside of a paper coffee cup in the corner of my living room if that counts. Been thinking about digitising them (i.e. putting them in the bank) but the stash is in the 'feng shui' money corner of the room and has been growing awful quickly!

Also it'd be a good get out of Dodge stash if I ever get the oppourtunity to ram a custard pie into the face of our State Premier or Don Burke! big_smile

I'll take a pic to show you what it looks like! maybe tomorrow!

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#10 2010-08-11 23:42:07

Naphthalene Man
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From: Newcastle
Registered: 2010-02-26
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Re: Stacking dollars

mpowerin wrote:

judging by the signal strength my mobile and others are getting lately i wouldnt count on electronic systems or sat comms - anyone else having reception issues lately or is Vodaphone just crap?

My mobile battery runs out real quick. I reckon it's cause they know i have solar panels so they want me to use more electricity to charge the phone. Conspiracy!


"A group of seventeen little-known metals are vital in a range of hi-tech applications. But China produces up to 97 per cent of them - and is slowly turning off supply to the rest of the world."

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#11 2010-08-11 23:46:25

Naphthalene Man
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Registered: 2010-02-26
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Re: Stacking dollars

Clawhammer wrote:

I've got about $300 worth of $5 notes spiralled around the inside of a paper coffee cup in the corner of my living room if that counts. Been thinking about digitising them (i.e. putting them in the bank) but the stash is in the 'feng shui' money corner of the room and has been growing awful quickly!

Also it'd be a good get out of Dodge stash if I ever get the oppourtunity to ram a custard pie into the face of our State Premier or Don Burke! big_smile

I'll take a pic to show you what it looks like! maybe tomorrow!

I knew that i wanted to come around to your house for that party!
The $5 no-spend adds up real quick... until you have a bad weekend and have to pay petrol, going out expenses, groceries, haircut and the bit that the wife takes 'cause she can then the $400 in five dollar notes turns into $15 sad


"A group of seventeen little-known metals are vital in a range of hi-tech applications. But China produces up to 97 per cent of them - and is slowly turning off supply to the rest of the world."

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#12 2010-08-12 18:15:12

greenlantern
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Registered: 2010-04-03
Posts: 58

Re: Stacking dollars

My financial advisor (who recommended I put 50% of my cash into physical gold) suggested having three months of living expenses in cash on hand. I think the bank holiday scenario is quite likely to occur when phase two of the GFC begins.

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#13 2010-08-12 18:47:35

Randomz
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From: Adelaide
Registered: 2010-05-18
Posts: 183

Re: Stacking dollars

As in 3 months worth of x dollar notes? 

GFC MkII could mean that 3 months of notes suddenly only buys 1 month of requirements.

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#14 2010-08-12 19:10:49

Forge
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From: Launceston, TAS
Registered: 2010-07-06
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Re: Stacking dollars

Given cash supplies in Australia nearly ran out in GFC part I, having some would seem a good idea in prep for GFC part II.  Alternatively, for when real estate crashes and our banks go bust.


PM aren't going to come into currency here unless cash takes an extended holiday.

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#15 2010-08-12 19:41:39

Clawhammer
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From: Brisvegas
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Re: Stacking dollars

This is by no means meant to be a skyte fest post... moreover an encouragement post to anyone wanting to save in a tangible way. I'm much indebted to Napthalene Man whom taught me this little technique of saving all $5 notes.

The council gets my gold coins and loose change for the parking meters...but stacking these "pink beer tickets" has been hella easy...and it's curtailed my wasteful self indulgent purchases!

Now I have to run off and wash my hands...this stuff is filthy...and I've worked out that smell that papermoney has...it's primarily cigarette smoke!

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#16 2010-08-12 21:56:57

Auspm
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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: 2010-02-17
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Re: Stacking dollars

How much in $5 notes is that mate?  Looks like only a few hundred?


Who is John Galt?

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#17 2010-08-12 22:05:22

goldpelican
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Registered: 2009-06-30
Posts: 3365

Re: Stacking dollars

Hmmm maybe I should try this - I used to "stack" $1 notes when I was working in the US - only takes a few weeks to get a wad of $100 in "loose change" notes. Trouble is you end up not spending that denomination, and splitting $10 notes etc instead of using a $5 you already have, because you're "saving" it.

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#18 2010-08-12 22:28:32

Auspm
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Re: Stacking dollars

I'm actually looking at this seriously as well.  Looks completely sensible.

You just have to remember it's fiat currency - which means it's going to be devaluing the moment you have it stacked.  Definitely an insurance ideology with a limited shelf life attached to it.


Who is John Galt?

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