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#26 2011-05-26 07:14:07

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

I reckon board games and card games have been the cause of more deaths over the years than bubonic plague and cholera combined! smile

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#27 2011-05-26 07:35:39

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

a nice kg silver dice would be cool!  I got a nice marble one' it is sweet but its no Ag


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#28 2011-05-27 06:12:29

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

as usual got carried away with a long and detailed post, only to see I'm automatically logged out and lost the lot without saving tongue

oh well, I'll do it piecemeal

As others have said, an excellent start point, for a bag of goodies, is the camping mindset

I'll start with the best flashlight for the money that I could find after the hard yards:

Fenix PD30 R5 Cree XP-G LED 257 Lms Flashlight

This little beauty can be bought on ebay for $60.50 and shipped free

late edit in...

here is an alternative, larger, but enormously brighter (740 lms) alternative, with optional upgrade to 1000 lms. If you are interested, you must check the import rules on bright flashing items like this, before buying.

http://shop.gregmcgeeengineering.com/M3 … ut-007.htm

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#29 2011-05-27 06:17:54

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

next

the knife

bang for buck, after some decent research is consistently:

Fallkniven F1 (pronounced fellneeven I think)

this is used by the swedish military

the blade is not very big, but this is good for fine handwork

a slightly larger knife, well regarded as great, is:

Cold Steel Master Hunter (with Kraton gripped handle) - note there is an el cheapo version, best to avoid unless bought as a general purpose cheap but very high quality knife). Note - this is not the Mini Hunter, which is smaller and cheaper

both of these knives can be had from overseas at half the price of the Aussie shops

I haven't imported yet. Customs are picky about knives, but to the best of my ability these are acceptable for import, as they are straightforward hunting knives. You can email customs for a clarification and this will save heartache.

If you want to be crocodile dundee, then the Navy Seals Pup Elite knife gets a good review

edit - there is also the "Mora" knife - this is also a favourite amongst hunters, though the blade is quite small

a review of the F1 is here:

http://briarpatchoutdoors.educationfort … eview.html

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#30 2011-05-27 06:24:32

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

next - navigation

Silva (nice name) is a swedish company which is regarded as top of the line for compasses (many will remember them from orienteering at school)

The Silva Ranger (latest is CL 515) is a very well regarded cheaper compass

The Expedition 54 is military grade & from what I understand is used by the Australian Army - not cheap, but you can get it less than half on ebay if you keep looking.

You'll also want laminated (ie waterproofed)  topographical maps of your intended location, streetmaps where appropriate

editing in a link to the ranger from the manufacturer:

http://store.silvacompass.com/products/ … 15_Compass

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#31 2011-05-27 06:33:15

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

next - water

Katadyn produce a range of water filters. The cheaper ones are less durable, but still great

The top of the line is the Micropocket filter, which is very rugged, metal cased and contains a silver impregnanted ceramic filter which lasts absolutely ages and makes brown puddles potable, removing cryptosporidium and the usual range of micro-unpleasantries, except viruses

http://www.katadyn.com/usen/katadyn-pro … ocket-usa/

Water purification tabs  - I got 50pk Aquamira miltary issue tabs cheaply via ebay. I'm yet to try one, but they get a reasonable writeup in terms of palatability and durability

example:
http://www.aquamira.com/emergency/aquam … ts-24-pack

An alternative is an iodine based prep - the best one, name gone for now, I could only find in the US and is not importable for some reason. Locally available preps online are invariably hugely overpriced and regarded as very untasty

edit - el cheapo, but very durable, if a little untasty, is simple pool chlorine (calcium hypochlorite), but you'll have to wait for the chlorine to evaporate off

in an emergency, simply hanging water in a transparent bag exposed to sunlight will kill off quite a few bugs

you can always boil - very cheap, but time consuming

finally - a plastic bag placed over a leafy branch, eg certain gum trees, with the neck tied securely can be used to make the leaves "sweat" water into the bag, on a hot day in arid conditions, when there is plenty of time to kill

You'll also need a container. I think simple water containers made of a durable soft compressible plastic will do, maybe a camelbak equipped backpack.

example of a soft bottle:
http://cascadedesigns.com/platypus/wate … le/product

example of a steel container:
http://www.kleankanteen.com/products/klean-kanteens.php

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#32 2011-05-27 06:42:33

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

fire

Swedish Firesteel - the bigger model, good for 15000 strikes

It is said you should have three ways of making fire

A high quality compressed butane lighter might be an alternative - I found the dream version online but lost the link, sad to say

Waterproof matches - a third way, but I'm yet to research the best

As for wood - the Sabrecut Saw seems to be all in all the best handsaw, basically a soft two handled chainsaw blade, but there is an art to using it, the tines need occasional sharpening and it won't do for the small stuff, but if you have the Master Hunter or Seals Pup you won't worry about that

You might also want some hexamine blocks

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#33 2011-05-27 06:52:46

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

Space blanket or space bivvy bag

These are very cheap on ebay and occupy a tiny space

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#34 2011-05-27 07:03:41

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

100mph tape, otherwise known as duct tape (not the crappy silver stuff)

the story behind the name is interesting, but I can't vouch for the authenticity although it seems to be true enough...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p … mph%20tape

edit in...this stuff looks excellent & is on my list now:

http://www.gorillatape.com/tapes.aspx

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#35 2011-05-27 07:09:55

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

Multitool - Leatherman Wave with Accessory Bit Kit

this seems to be the allrounder and I've bought two for the price of one bought in Australia, direct from the US, inclusive of shipping

http://www.leatherman.com/product/Wave

http://www.leatherman.com/accessories/product/bit_kit

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#36 2011-05-27 07:25:48

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

Speedhook is a nice, simple way of catching fish. Can be had very cheaply.

http://www.speedhook.com/servlet/StoreFront

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#37 2011-05-27 08:03:56

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

ever want an absolutely killer whistle? tongue

Storm or Windstorm original all-weather survival safety whistle satisifes the craving. No mucking around here. I only tried this on medium blow and it leaves a decent ring in the ear.

This might double up well in self defense. It is extremely loud.

The model I have is a bit chunky (the Storm version, which is the beast of whistles) - much bigger than the ref's.

The attached site review is not where I got it, but gives the specs for the smaller version (windstorm, fits on a keyring).

http://reviews.duluthtrading.com/produc … istle.html

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#38 2011-05-27 08:23:57

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

millededge wrote:

as usual got carried away with a long and detailed post, only to see I'm automatically logged out and lost the lot without saving tongue

oh well, I'll do it piecemeal

As others have said, an excellent start point, for a bag of goodies, is the camping mindset

I'll start with the best flashlight for the money that I could find after the hard yards:

Fenix PD30 R5 Cree XP-G LED 257 Lms Flashlight

This little beauty can be bought on ebay for $60.50 and shipped free

I used to buy cheapo keychain torches until I was having a beer with a young guy from work whom pulled out an expensive CREE jobbie.  I told him he was crazy until he took me outside and pegged it as hard as he could against a brick wall and it didn't break, he then blinded me with it in bright daylight with it to prove how good it was at decamping from BG's if ever needed.  That spot on my eyes lasted for at least 30mins!!!

Since then I bought 1 good one and it's lasted for years

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#39 2011-05-27 08:32:13

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

not exactly camping material, but for a nuclear SHTF, there are a number of personal dosimeters on the market and the price seems to be falling whilst the quality improving

example: the K8

http://k8community.com/

I have the older Nukalert -

http://www.nukalert.com/

for a cheap and cheerful disposable dosimeter (2 bucks) - peel and stick card that fits in a wallet, there is RadSticker

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/08/prweb4348094.htm

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#40 2011-05-27 08:58:36

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

millededge wrote:

Speedhook is a nice, simple way of catching fish. Can be had very cheaply.

http://www.speedhook.com/servlet/StoreFront

Just watched a video on it! Good if you can't catch fish I suppose, if you can already fish then it won't improve catch rate. A stick of dynamite will do the job better. Which reminds me, speaking of fish, this is something similar that many out west used to do, catch a few jewies (freshwater catfish) and chuck em in the rainwater tank to fatten up.

Or you could try this:

http://www.aquaponics.com.au/

Juvenile fish are available from hatcheries australia wide, steamed freshwater fish done with a few spices are brilliant. 99Reza might even have a recipe to share.


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#41 2011-05-27 09:08:30

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

Clawhammer wrote:

I used to buy cheapo keychain torches

If you've just gotta have the baddest torch on the planet, then wickedlasers.com has one with 4000 lumens

Kipkay (generally awesome gadget modding site) demonstrates the coolness of it. Only a shtf item if you must have xray vision to see under people's shirts.

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#42 2011-05-27 09:24:31

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

solar chargers are something that will take a little more research to work out what's the best bang for buck

for now, here are two I've had my eye on, but need to look into further - a bit pricey for my folding stuff, though prices are coming down and likely to end up much cheaper as solar tech evolves

Here's a very cool looking rollable solar panel - the Brunton Solaroll

http://nationalsurvivalcenter.com/br14waflso.html

and here's a foldable panel

http://nationalsurvivalcenter.com/brso26wafoso.html

what you want is one of these to connect to a NiMH battery charger, then you're cooking

edit - it looks like Powerfilm is a good choice:

http://www.powerfilm.com.au/

although unavailable right now, my hunch is the wallet sized flexible panel foldout USD/AA (does NiMH) charger can be had for well under $100, if bought from the USA

if you want a charger big enough to charge the laptop, then the 28W rollable version looks good, though ?you may need a charge controller


final alternative is GoalZero or Gaol0

example:
http://www.amazon.com/ELITE-Nomad-Ultra … 412&sr=1-9

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#43 2011-05-27 10:00:12

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

simpler stuff, mozzie repellent, when only the best will do

http://www.bushman-repellent.com/products.htm

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#44 2011-05-27 10:37:25

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

ok, maybe that's getting carried away a bit tongue

one item that's good to consider is a dynamo operated short wave radio

there seems a few around, typically with a solar charger as well, usb port and led light

this one looks good, and can act as a battery charger (for its own NiMH batts, which might be used elsewhere I guess), also charges mobile phone with the hand crank

Kaito KA500 Voyager

http://www.climbingsupersale.com/item/o … id=6636342

There's also the American Red Cross version, seems to have less features

http://www.redcrossstore.org/Shopper/Pr … ItemId=518

and a cheap small one here:

http://www.gizmag.com/go/4482/

as usual, you could easily get lower prices shopping around

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#45 2011-05-27 11:02:55

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

for a little light to clip on your belt, or an internal bag light clipped inside, this looks nice

http://www.chiefsupply.com/3350-Smith-A … eries.aspx

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#46 2011-05-27 11:07:18

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

alternative keyring light (10 pack)

http://www.amazon.com/MICRO-BLACK-KEYCH … d_sim_hi_1

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#47 2011-05-27 23:12:58

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

MatrixOpals wrote:

@millededge
I prefer the trusted war knives - KA BARs for the main knife. They have full tangs.
For my everyday utility knife I stick with Cold Steel MINI AK47. Such a lovely design.

Had a look at the Killed a Bears - look like solid fighting knives

That ak47 looks outstanding - did you buy it here?

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#48 2011-05-28 02:00:30

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

Batteries:

The preferred type are Low Self Discharge (LSD) NiMH (Nickel
metal hydride) - you could say regular NiMH batts are high self discharge, ie they run out in next to no time. That's why you want LSD.

There are several brands, but Eneloop (Sanyo) and Sony Cycle Energy are good (basically the same unit)

When shopping around for a good buy, be aware that there is an older version (I think pre 2009) and a more recent version as per:

http://www.eneloop.info/home/the-new-im … eloop.html

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#49 2011-05-28 02:19:36

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

K-Bars are bloody great knives, My dad often uses one, though I've got my old faithful homemade knife. Something about making the handle for a good quality blade yourself that just doesn't grow old.

I made mine with old antlers and some beautiful Scottish Oak ringed up... I'll see if I can find a pic somewhere. The blade's are relatively easy to make if you have an old metal file lying around and can build a crude forge... Not difficult without fire bricks...

As a true survivalists item, I'd recommend a couple of Ray Mears' Bushcraft books, sounds corny but its got me out of some bad situations when I've been caught short! big_smile


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#50 2011-06-12 00:38:35

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Re: Origin's on - top long lasting or SHTF products

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a few of above said items

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