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#1 2017-03-07 18:10:12

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Aussie Department of Homeland Security

So I heard about this briefly on the radio yesterday, and wondered what the guys and gals in our community think about it.

Good or bad idea?

Also, any Americans are welcome to share their experiences of how the DHS has made your lives in the USA much safer.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ … urnpc.html


I'm against all forms of aggressive centralization of power, who is going to watch the watchers? On the bright side, maybe with the help of this new department and their new militarized police force the Aussies can final defeat those Emus big_smile

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#2 2017-03-07 19:26:01

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

Didn't NAZI Germany use "Homeland" also?


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#3 2017-03-08 00:17:40

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

About as necessary as mammary glands on a mature male bovine. "Tits on a bull."


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#4 2017-03-08 01:13:52

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

Tell me again why these international conspiracies are bunk.

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#5 2017-03-08 02:07:29

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

Another pointless, useless, expensive bureaucracy.

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#6 2017-03-08 05:06:01

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

Centralised super-bureaucracies are always much more efficient and much more accountable to taxpayers.


The only good tax is a repealed tax.

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#7 2017-03-08 05:59:47

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

How else to justify a new collection of fat cats on a million a year.

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#8 2017-03-08 06:35:33

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

This section is a bit of a worry

A Canberra official said that Australia suffers a similar problem: "There are data jealousies between agencies, data gaps, a lack of full data sharing.

"Cooperation at the moment is ad hoc, episodic and personalised. The only thing that keeps the system functional is personal relationships."

This would all come out in the event that Australia suffered a mass terrorist attack, he said.

The creation of the American department improved information sharing, but the department's Inspector-General, John Roth, reported last month that full co-operation remained elusive.

"Lack of coordination and unity occurs in all aspects of DHS' programs," he said.

So they formed the entity to stop an information sharing problem & the problem still exists? ...speaks for itself really & they still want to follow suit & do it here ? ....interesting .There must be an agenda hidden in that pile of shit somewhere.


i used to be disgusted now im just amused

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#9 2017-03-10 20:21:35

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

renovator wrote:

The creation of the American department improved information sharing, but the department's Inspector-General, John Roth, reported last month that full co-operation remained elusive.

"Lack of coordination and unity occurs in all aspects of DHS' programs," he said.

renovator wrote:

A Canberra official said that Australia suffers a similar problem: "There are data jealousies between agencies, data gaps, a lack of full data sharing.

"Cooperation at the moment is ad hoc, episodic and personalised. The only thing that keeps the system functional is personal relationships."

Both before and after the formation of the DHS, the root causes for systemic under-sharing of pertinent information:

1)Budgets
2)Fiefdoms
3)Egos
4)Kudos & Taking Credit

1 & 2 and correlated, as are 3 & 4.

So when there's a drug raid that finds drugs (DEA), counterfeit currency (USSS), unlicensed firearms (ATF) and photos of terror target (DHS) operated by a drug cartel (Organized Crime, hence FBI). Then they all huff and puff and have a big ol' turf war over "which agency is leading this investigation".

About a total of twelve 'alphabet soup' agencies are constantly arguing over where their jurisdictions begin and end.

Creating the DHS didn't solve those problems in the US, it just put another player onto the field.

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#10 2017-03-10 21:09:54

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

Ah, the Terrorist boogieman roll

If you have to point to future unknown threats you need to solve, then it is 100% invoking the boogieman.
It's not like we don't already have a current system is working fine, just look at the number of "terrorist" events in this country, and the number that have been successfully foiled already. The current system works.

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#11 2017-03-10 21:51:27

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

Endless war, against an enemy you can't see, that changes often. Sounds familiar.

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#12 2017-03-10 23:10:19

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

"We are going to interrogate Mr. Buttle at the same voltage as Mr. Tuttle."

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#13 2017-03-11 00:49:18

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

Miss Turtle got her stacks removed from her, her home land ain't safe

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ … n-thailand


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#14 2017-03-11 01:44:46

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Re: Aussie Department of Homeland Security

SilverDJ wrote:

The current system works.

I thought the old system worked.


The woolgrower's target shall be the good thriving of his flock and its pastures, and so of himself and those whose livelihoods depend on his enterprise.
"The Woolgrower's Companion", 1906.

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