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#1 2017-01-04 10:34:53

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Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38504188

Shock Horror....What will Australia do? Does anyone even care?

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#2 2017-01-04 10:56:49

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

What about the natives of Irian Jaya? For over 50 years we Australians have deserted them....The people of Irian Jaya are not of Asian origin but are native people  like the ones in New Guinea.

Australian governments both red and blue have always backed Indonesia...Why? IMO because we are frightened!

We screwed East Timor with the oil deal and now we force a country to live under Indonesian control.

Train their soldiers? Some day it will come back and bite us on the ass.

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#3 2017-01-04 17:07:33

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

errol43 wrote:

We screwed East Timor with the oil deal...

This is false. The oil deal was hugely beneficial for East Timor (especially in the circumstances that they were in) and cost the Australian Government. Saying that, given they are proving themselves to be able to form a stable society with an effective rule of law, there may be a point where it is worthwhile to revisit the original deal.


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#4 2017-01-04 18:17:23

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

The Indonesian government is getting super-sensitive, here's a story about retaliatory action against JPMorgan:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/investi … index.html

Elections are coming up, wonder if these moves have anything to do with that, especially in light of the anti-Muslim sentiment in Western countries? Indonesia's own version of populism - Muslim style?

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#5 2017-01-04 19:45:49

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

When he was a junior officer he was hating Australia's involvement in East Timor,and now that he is the head honcho of Indonesian Special Forces Kopassus he can say so and virtually do as he pleases.

When I was training at the jungle warfare centre in Canungra in Queensland I had a physical confrontation with an Indonesian officer where I was encouraged to stick the boot in more by my NCO's but I didn't,looking back I wished that I had  lol


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#6 2017-01-04 20:53:11

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

Cutting through all the peripheral b.s., does anyone actually have real details....ie what 'exactly' the fuss is about...

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#7 2017-01-04 21:38:05

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

tolly_67 wrote:

Cutting through all the peripheral b.s., does anyone actually have real details....ie what 'exactly' the fuss is about...

There is no fuss!

Just cut off all the aid we give them  only produce enough beef we can sell without them and keep turning back the boats.

They may reinstate the Visa on arrival fee for Australians going to Bali in retaliation.


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#8 2017-01-04 22:33:36

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

fishtaco wrote:

.....and keep turning back the boats.


Yep, never stop doing that regardless of anything!

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#9 2017-01-04 22:40:13

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

fishtaco wrote:
tolly_67 wrote:

Cutting through all the peripheral b.s., does anyone actually have real details....ie what 'exactly' the fuss is about...

There is no fuss!

Just cut off all the aid we give them  only produce enough beef we can sell without them and keep turning back the boats.

They may reinstate the Visa on arrival fee for Australians going to Bali in retaliation.

Whatever happens it's will be even more reason for them to make any Aussie a scapegoat for any misdemeanour or even set
them up as already seen.
Unfortunately lol I agree with mmm...shiney It's all about elections.
Boycott the whole country including Bali of course see what happens then...if only people would!

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#10 2017-01-04 23:24:03

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

Why are we even training the enemy?

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#11 2017-01-04 23:36:51

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

radiobirdman wrote:

Why are we even training the enemy?

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer - You Know That  wink

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#12 2017-01-04 23:43:42

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

Plus the training isn't anything special.


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#13 2017-01-04 23:53:27

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

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Plus the training isn't anything special.

Just a little bit of "fun and training between friends" it is all smoke and mirrors and some more smoke  cool

You know more than you are letting on Ipv6Ready  wink

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#14 2017-01-05 00:12:14

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

We should invade West Papua Send a message of peace to the little moslem stnuc
Maybe take Papua New Guinea as well while were at it
Then we could send the Abo's(especially the white ones) back home were they belong to fend for them selves with out whitey lording over them

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#15 2017-01-05 00:56:24

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

A bigot and a racist. I am surprised that post made it onto the forum. Very insulting.

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#16 2017-01-05 01:10:47

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

The West Papua is a very real and topical issue.

Genocide happenig under our noses every single day and we pretend we can't see it.

It's a blight and shame on every Australian party to hold office since the land was stolen from WP.

The stolen land isssue is current enough that we should be taking action. Australia is scared of the worlds largest muslim population just a few klms to our north.

That's the bottom line.

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#17 2017-01-05 02:57:20

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

Just trying to remember, what is the official government reasoning whereby East Timor is worthy of its noble and splendid independence whereas West Papua is forever sovereign Indonesian land?

Please help me with my cognitive dissonance.

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#18 2017-01-05 03:07:57

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

Agnostic wrote:

Just trying to remember, what is the official government reasoning whereby East Timor is worthy of its noble and splendid independence whereas West Papua is forever sovereign Indonesian land?

Please help me with my cognitive dissonance.

I can't help on that one but guaranteed it's got something to do with Money/politics?

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#19 2017-01-05 03:11:49

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Yes but surely there is an official cover story.

You know, like what must be taught to high school students.

Like a combination of "tell an outrageous lie..."  and "a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth"

I sure did sing God Save the Queen a lot in primary school.  And look how long she has lasted...

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#20 2017-01-05 03:51:29

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

everlasting boat people will solve everything, the boat people are just transiting from the northern neighbor, their final destination is OZ
more people need to wear silver shoes for cover lol rather than blaming a transit hub


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#21 2017-01-05 03:54:27

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

I wonder whatever happened to ALL the Buddhists and Hindus that used to occupy the country's /land mass from Afghanistan to the islands of Indonesia
Probably the same thing that is happening today sadly

After being decimated of a lot of young men in the two world wars, the government  of the day probably thought we were in no position to do anything about the invasion of
Dutch east indies
As for Whitlam's deplorable behaviour in the 70s no idea you would have to ask a socialist I have no idea how they think

As for being a racist and a bigot probably? but nowere near as bigoted and racist as the moslims or the Aboriginals

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#22 2017-01-05 05:11:52

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

Agnostic wrote:

Just trying to remember, what is the official government reasoning whereby East Timor is worthy of its noble and splendid independence whereas West Papua is forever sovereign Indonesian land?

Please help me with my cognitive dissonance.

It was recognised by the UN.


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#23 2017-01-05 06:24:12

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

It is the Bolshevik Brainwashing Corporation, so better to not buy into it too much. The article mentions a word of Bahasa, "Pancasila" and Indonesia feeling this was transgressed in some manner, eliciting offence
It goes on...

What is Pancasila?
The official philosophical foundation of the Indonesian state.
Consists of two Javanese words, originally from Sanskrit: "panca" meaning five and "sila" meaning principles.
The principles are: The one God system (monotheism), just and civilised humanity, the unity of Indonesia, democracy and social justice for all.
Ignoring these principles is illegal. For instance, Indonesians must hold a religion because of the first one - being an atheist is illegal in the country.

Now this is the Beeb, so the level of journalism is at the level of google search and wholesale cut n paste. A far cry from the heyday of British intellectual rigour.

The word Pancasila was apparently in jest written as "pancagila" and this is the source of the falling out. I think it is just an example of the Aussie "sh_t test", which one would expect it pretty much normal banter in the military, especially between friendly rival groups, including between groups in the same service.

Pancagila plays on the revered part of Indonesian political identity, as "gila" means "crazy"

EDIT - it is most likely a media beat up, obscuring the real issues, which include Indonesia dispatching commie filth and some whiny stuff about the commies "human rights" which the Indonesian special forces officer had the misfortune to hear, especially when a knowledge of what these evil commie scumbags do with liberty when in power shows clearly they are murderous amoral b*stards best politically neutered. Indonesia should not feel guilty for dealing with communists in the ways of 1965. Body count!

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#24 2017-01-05 06:57:33

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

Bit more here:
http://morningmail.org/indonesian-army- … more-54535

Yes, this looks more like the Beeb and fellow media agitators stirring the pot to see what happens.

"The reason for the suspension is purely technical," [Major General Wuryanto] said.
"There are several issues which need to be perfected."
Defence Minister Marise Payne confirmed the suspension last night and said an investigation was about to be finalised into concerns expressed by an Indonesian military officer over teaching -materials and remarks at an army language training facility in -Australia.
"As a result, some inter-action between the two defence organisations has been postponed until the matter is resolved," Senator Payne said in a brief statement.
"Co-operation in other areas is continuing."
A source inside the Indonesian military said the flashpoint incident occurred in November when a Kopassus (Indonesian special forces) instructor came to the Perth base for training.
The officer reportedly felt uneasy at some -topics discussed in class, which -allegedly included how the Indonesian military was involved in war crimes and human-rights -violations in the 1965 killings of communist sympathisers and the murder of -civilians during Indo-nesia's occupation of East Timor.
"The officer then complained to the head of the academy," the source said on condition of -anonymity. "While at the academy's head's office, he found other material which referred to 'Pan-cagila' instead of 'Pancasila'."

So,the wordplay was an insignificant issue. Typical MSM. Frankly, why the Australian lecture materials cared a fig about Indonesia butchering Communist sympathisers I can only guess at, but looking at recent AOTYs I think it isn't a stretch to guess. I'd say Indonesia did themselves and Australia a favour. Communists carry one of the world's greatest records for mass murder and misery in modern history.

I applaud Indonesia for dealing with communists in the way that communists would earnestly do to others once power is theirs.  This is in keeping with one of the five pillars..."social justice for all", including sweet justice for communists. I only wish our left would take their schtick over there and see what happens next, the toerags.

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#25 2017-01-05 12:47:53

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Re: Boycott Indonesia especially Bali!

fishtaco wrote:
tolly_67 wrote:

Cutting through all the peripheral b.s., does anyone actually have real details....ie what 'exactly' the fuss is about...

There is no fuss!

Just cut off all the aid we give them  only produce enough beef we can sell without them and keep turning back the boats.

They may reinstate the Visa on arrival fee for Australians going to Bali in retaliation.

The main reason for giving them aid is so they stop the boats. Turn off the aid, turn up the boat arrivals.

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