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#1 2016-06-16 07:56:45

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Libertarian policy around the world

While there are no pure libertarian countries, there are countries that have successfully implemented libertarian policies with positive results. Here are several such countries with libertarian policies concerning the economy, taxes, corporations, national defense, minimum wage, pensions, healthcare, education, guns, drugs, and prostitution.

http://imgur.com/a/Cl7ww#0

To summarise, it examines the following countries from a US perspective, and before anyone jumps up and down understand that not all libertarians would willingly adopt each of these programs, they are differing measures that enhance liberty which could be adopted under the broad banner of a libertarian paradigm. Some of them smell a bit socialist to me, but may be acceptable to other libertarians:

1. Hong Kong's economic policy
2. Estonian flat tax policy.
3. Scandinavian corporate tax policy.
4. Estonian economic policy.
5. Finnish wage policy.
6. Costa Rica's national defense policy.
7. The Chilean pension system.
8. Swiss health care.
9. Swedish educational policy.
10. The Swiss and guns.
11. Portugese drug policy.
12. Prostitution in New Zealand.

Edit to add: For the benefit of first time readers of this thread, you are probably doing yourself a favour by skipping ahead to Julie's post on page 3.

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#2 2016-06-16 23:21:35

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Amsterdam? 
Surely for access to drugs and prostitution it should be near the top of the list
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#3 2016-06-16 23:27:37

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

There are probably more examples. Trouble is I can find heaps of examples of anti-libertarian policies, but libertarian ones are in short supply, especially ones that have been enacted into legislation.

Edit to add: although I must say the history of mankind, especially modern Western society is one of a gradual move toward greater liberty.

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#4 2016-06-16 23:37:57

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Please take your abuse and political theory to a political forum where you'll be appreciated.
This is a precious metals forum.


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#5 2016-06-16 23:42:24

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Peter wrote:

Please take your abuse and political theory to a political forum where you'll be appreciated.
This is a precious metals forum.

Of course, every one of your posts has been PM related hasn't it?


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#6 2016-06-16 23:44:06

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Peter wrote:

Please take your abuse and political theory to a political forum where you'll be appreciated.
This is a precious metals forum.

Shiney already went on an abuse rampage in the other thread then hypocritically asked for it to be removed. No more of these idiotic threads if he can't calm down and act maturely.

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#7 2016-06-16 23:45:43

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Yes, not always Pm related but not abusive
This is a pm forum.
Not a forum for you to push your political theories.
There are lots of abusive political forums who would appreciate your skills.

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#8 2016-06-16 23:53:06

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Peter wrote:

Yes, not always Pm related but not abusive
This is a pm forum.
Not a forum for you to push your political theories.
There are lots of abusive political forums who would appreciate your skills.

From my viewpoint the abuse is justifiable but I admit unacceptable. hmm

The political manipulation of our society is one of the reasons for us being drawn to precious metals in the first place. The steady and undeniable transfer of our wealth to others, our own private property is a direct contravention of our right to liberty and poses a threat to our freedom and livelihoods.

There is a genuine place for honest political discussion on a PM forum.

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#9 2016-06-17 00:01:33

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

mmm....shiney! wrote:

There is a genuine place for honest political discussion on a PM forum.

Then you should remember that before throwing around accusations and misrepresenting people who disagree with you.


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#10 2016-06-17 00:31:11

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Political discussion belongs on political forums.
This is a precious metals forum.
It not a platform to push your theories.
It causes bad blood and trouble here, especially when people decend into abuse.
Please restrict yourself to only precious metal discussion.
If we want libertarian theory there are plenty of sites we can go to.


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#11 2016-06-17 00:40:28

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Peter wrote:

Please restrict yourself to only precious metal discussion.

Sorry mate, no can do for the reasons I outlined above.

If someone refuses to trade with someone else due to a difference of opinion, then they are only hurting themselves. Trade is an example of libertarianism in action, it enhances peaceful cooperation as the participants go about satisfying their self-interest.

I'll do a search for countries with no customs or import duties, another example of libertarian-like policy in action.

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#12 2016-06-17 00:44:33

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Bloody socialists.

lol

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#13 2016-06-17 00:47:42

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

He's certainty got a bee in his bonnet.


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#14 2016-06-17 00:54:13

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

SilverPete wrote:
Peter wrote:

Please take your abuse and political theory to a political forum where you'll be appreciated.
This is a precious metals forum.

Shiney already went on an abuse rampage in the other thread then hypocritically asked for it to be removed. No more of these idiotic threads if he can't calm down and act maturely.

I was wondering where the other thread went, the reverand lost it hey?


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#15 2016-06-17 00:56:01

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

No one doubts that pure libertarianism is simple, but that's just why it remains on the ideological fringe -- because it boils down the most difficult questions in human affairs to a simple equation, a What Would the Market Do bumper sticker.
Ross Douthat, The American Scene :: 2/12/2003


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#16 2016-06-17 01:02:59

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&sour … iq456qKBhQ

In case anyone missed it in the other thread, Somalia a libertarian paradise - it was made by libertarians but they all moved to Chile and lost the shirts off their back.


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#17 2016-06-17 01:05:01

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

mmm....shiney! wrote:
Peter wrote:

Please restrict yourself to only precious metal discussion.

Sorry mate, no can do for the reasons I outlined above.

If someone refuses to trade with someone else due to a difference of opinion, then they are only hurting themselves. Trade is an example of libertarianism in action, it enhances peaceful cooperation as the participants go about satisfying their self-interest.

I'll do a search for countries with no customs or import duties, another example of libertarian-like policy in action.

Somalia is one you can start your list off with.


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#18 2016-06-17 01:06:42

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Newtosilver wrote:

No one doubts that pure libertarianism is simple, but that's just why it remains on the ideological fringe -- because it boils down the most difficult questions in human affairs to a simple equation, a What Would the Market Do bumper sticker.
Ross Douthat, The American Scene :: 2/12/2003

And what are the most difficult questions in human affairs?

If they are questions that deal with economics, or taxes, or wages, or national defense, or pensions, or the health system, or prostitution then the examples I linked to in the initial post clearly show that they can be adequately answered by following the basic tenets of libertarianism. Simple answers are all that's needed in response to the difficult mess our political leaders have manufactured.

Are these the thoughts sorts* of questions to which you would be referring?

*Thorry, lithp. lol

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#19 2016-06-17 01:11:34

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Peter wrote:

Political discussion belongs on political forums.
This is a precious metals forum.
It not a platform to push your theories.
It causes bad blood and trouble here, especially when people decend into abuse.
Please restrict yourself to only precious metal discussion.
If we want libertarian theory there are plenty of sites we can go to.

I'm pretty sure that I've had this discussion with you before. There are many reasons why people stack and each of these reasons is a valid topic for the forum. Hence, we have areas for discussing "pure" precious metals stuff, numismatic stuff, coins and bars stuff, prospecting stuff, investment stuff, speculation stuff and sound money stuff. The latter few is fundamentally why certain political and economic topics are completely legitimate IMO. Different people gravitate to different sub-forums because of their underlying reasons for being on this forum in the first place.


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#20 2016-06-17 01:15:21

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

I don't see why these threads need to get so narky.

People seem to feel the need to jump all over each other when there is a difference of opinion.  It's really not neccessary.

For me, when I see threads that I disagree with or think are dumb I just move on.  Not everything needs to turn into a p1ssing contest.

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#21 2016-06-17 01:15:47

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

After all, there's a lot of experience with privatization by governments at all levels -- state, federal, and local; that record doesn't support extravagant claims about improved efficiency. Sometimes there are significant cost reductions, but all too often the promised savings turn out to be a mirage. In particular, it's common for private contractors to bid low to get the business, then push their prices up once the government work force has been disbanded. Projections of a 20 or 30 percent cost saving across the board are silly -- and one suspects that the officials making those projections know that.
Paul Krugman, The New York Times, 11.19.02


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#22 2016-06-17 01:19:07

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

Newtosilver wrote:
mmm....shiney! wrote:
Peter wrote:

Please restrict yourself to only precious metal discussion.

Sorry mate, no can do for the reasons I outlined above.

If someone refuses to trade with someone else due to a difference of opinion, then they are only hurting themselves. Trade is an example of libertarianism in action, it enhances peaceful cooperation as the participants go about satisfying their self-interest.

I'll do a search for countries with no customs or import duties, another example of libertarian-like policy in action.

Somalia is one you can start your list off with.

https://somalia.visahq.com/customs/


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#23 2016-06-17 01:21:38

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

One of the great weaknesses of standard libertarian theory is that it tends to push too hard by elevating presumptions into absolutes.
Richard A. Epstein, "Skepticism and Freedom"


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#24 2016-06-17 01:22:29

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

So we'll move on from trying to identify what the really serious questions that face humanity are that libertarinism cannot provide an answer to?

Newtosilver wrote:

In particular, it's common for private contractors to bid low to get the business, then push their prices up once the government work force has been disbanded.

Newtosilver, please clarify for me what Krugman is on about by providing some examples.


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#25 2016-06-17 01:24:22

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Re: Libertarian policy around the world

mmm....shiney! wrote:

There are probably more examples. Trouble is I can find heaps of examples of anti-libertarian policies, but libertarian ones are in short supply, especially ones that have been enacted into legislation.

Edit to add: although I must say the history of mankind, especially modern Western society is one of a gradual move toward greater liberty.

There is a reason for that reverand smile

Do tell what did you say when you lost it?


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