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#1 2015-11-25 07:41:45

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ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

With Russia taking out 1000 oil  truck tankers and now the Coalition dads air force taking out 200 truck tankers...Where was the oil going? To Turkey? Follow the trail, where did the dollars go?

ISIS has lost its cash cow..Wonder who was buying the refined oil?

ISIS will now have no money to buy arms  so I think it will all be over bar the shouting by Christmas.:) What a gift for all men/women of peace.

Regards Errol 43

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#2 2015-11-25 14:17:57

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

I would like it to be that easy errol, but when i read things like this Iran/contra pops into my mind and that is without even putting any thought in.
Sadly the money will not just dry up if it was from oil and that oil is no longer coming through.
This is not about money, it is about a whole lot more , ideology comes to mind.

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#3 2015-11-25 20:00:10

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

As long as US is meddling in the Middle East, whether that is implementing 'democracy', oil control, warmongering and their influence in the Israeli/Palestinian relations Isis' ideology will live on. You might destroy Isis but you won't destroy the ideology if the above keeps happening.

New group with a new name will prop up if Isis is destroyed.

Isis is the symptom, US foreign policy is the cause.

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#4 2015-11-25 21:02:29

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

errol43 wrote:

ISIS has lost its cash cow..Wonder who was buying the refined oil?

ISIS will now have no money to buy arms  so I think it will all be over bar the shouting by Christmas.:) What a gift for all men/women of peace.



There are much info on the net that the Saudi Royal family is funding ISIS. And I imagine there will be others funding them to.

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#5 2015-11-28 22:45:40

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

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#6 2015-11-28 23:08:43

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

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#7 2015-11-29 00:05:22

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

US foreign policy is no different to that of the every empire from the British right back to before the Roman empire.

Get inside a region... make it a mess... get everyone fighting against each other.. and distracted so that won't gang up on you.  While the middle-east is in turmoil the oil will still flow and the zipper-heads will stay busy fighting each other...mostly.


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#8 2015-11-29 00:17:38

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

errol43 wrote:

With Russia taking out 1000 oil  truck tankers and now the Coalition dads air force taking out 200 truck tankers...Where was the oil going? To Turkey? Follow the trail, where did the dollars go?

ISIS has lost its cash cow..Wonder who was buying the refined oil?

ISIS will now have no money to buy arms  so I think it will all be over bar the shouting by Christmas.:) What a gift for all men/women of peace.

Regards Errol 43


IMHO

The main problem with this point of view is that you assume that oil trading is the only source of revenue for ISIS.

However, ISIS gets the funds:

via taxation (not a joke),

via help from certain countries in the area (usually there are two particual monarchies mentioned in this context)

via "criminal" activities kidnapping, and such

via robbing certain parts of population of Syria, especially Christians

via spoils from successful military operations

I am sure this list of revenues could be continued.

What ya think?

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#9 2015-11-29 01:44:38

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Boko Harum kills more people, wreaks more havoc but doesn't control oil fields.

I don't see a 'Coalition of the Willing' to eradicate that menace.

ISIS has an unfortunate view of cataclysm and apocalypse and believes that it will be destroyed apart from a few thousand survivors who will then be assisted by the return of the most important prophet next to Mohammed to destroy the evil doers and establish a permanent caliphate across the world.

I can't see them going quietly and fading back to their coffee shops and mosques.

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#10 2015-11-29 02:08:46

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Surely the Western Coalition will stop the supply of arms through Turkey to ISIS

The Monies received from the sale of the oil was not only used to pay for weapons but to pay ISIS FIGHTERS. In turn the fighters spend their money on food etc on which taxes were imposed..

Now with no income stream IMO it will be over shortly in Syria..Iraq, well that is a different question unless the government of Iraq invites the Russians in take over the bombing from Australia. smile

Time will tell. Now that Turkey has taken down a Russian jet there will be no more oil getting through to Turkey..

Wonder who was buying the oil?

Regards Errol 43

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#11 2015-11-29 03:05:34

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

errol43 wrote:

T
Wonder who was buying the oil?

Regards Errol 43

we are! why do you think the price of petrol has dropped over the last 18 mths?!?!

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#12 2015-11-29 07:23:39

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

serial wrote:
errol43 wrote:

T
Wonder who was buying the oil?

Regards Errol 43

we are! why do you think the price of petrol has dropped over the last 18 mths?!?!

Oil production in the US has risen dramatically over the last few years meaning that the US has to import far less oil..with Iraq also lifting production and Saudi Arabia producing at full production plus the economic downturn has meant that petrol prices in Australia have dropped. If the AU dollar had not dropped then we would be paying a lot more.

As far as the oil going through Turkey, whoever is buying it is IMO A SUPPORTER of a mad group of men.

Regards Errol 43

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#13 2015-11-29 07:33:17

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

You all have it wrong!

99 percent...and Civil war looming in Turkey!

Its nothing to do with oil!

Religion!

Soon you will see civil war in Turkey which will spread through Europe and the cancer will turn to who's side you are on.

Mark my words...we are looking at a clever organization who has a goal to unite the indoctrinated Islamic folk to try to over-throw the Christians.

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#14 2015-11-29 07:44:30

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

a coup in turkey is fire-ring


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#15 2015-11-29 07:47:54

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Islam is the largest religion in Turkey according to the state, with 99.8% of the population being automatically registered by the state as Muslim, for anyone whose parents are not of any other officially recognised religion,[2] while other sources give a little lower estimate of 96.4%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Turkey

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#16 2015-11-29 14:09:43

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Holdfast wrote:

You all have it wrong!

99 percent...and Civil war looming in Turkey!

Its nothing to do with oil!

Religion!

Soon you will see civil war in Turkey which will spread through Europe and the cancer will turn to who's side you are on.

Mark my words...we are looking at a clever organization who has a goal to unite the indoctrinated Islamic folk to try to over-throw the Christians.

I think you are in the ball park Holdfast.
I would have said it is the maybe the other way around with Christians mounting the war (may be not though).
It really turtles me off because i certainly will not align myself with the Muslim views when the war starts at home and i DO NOT want to have to align myself with the bloody Christians either.
By just like jailhouse rules sides will have to be taken or everyone will take turns on me.............Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !.
Very very frustrating and INFURIATING.

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#17 2015-11-29 15:10:56

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

greedy Kobold wrote:
errol43 wrote:

With Russia taking out 1000 oil  truck tankers and now the Coalition dads air force taking out 200 truck tankers...Where was the oil going? To Turkey? Follow the trail, where did the dollars go?

ISIS has lost its cash cow..Wonder who was buying the refined oil?

ISIS will now have no money to buy arms  so I think it will all be over bar the shouting by Christmas.:) What a gift for all men/women of peace.

Regards Errol 43


IMHO

The main problem with this point of view is that you assume that oil trading is the only source of revenue for ISIS.

However, ISIS gets the funds:

via taxation (not a joke),

via help from certain countries in the area (usually there are two particual monarchies mentioned in this context)

via "criminal" activities kidnapping, and such

via robbing certain parts of population of Syria, especially Christians

via spoils from successful military operations

I am sure this list of revenues could be continued.

What ya think?

I read an interesting article about the ancient sites ISIS destroyed. Apparently they sold off all the ancient relics etc on the black market, then destroyed the sites to cover up the fact.

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#18 2015-11-29 17:44:34

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/1 … v%2028.mp3

Major Steven Coughlan predicts that the various Islamic groups - ISIS, Al Queda. Boko  Haram, Hamas, etc will merge and  become a larger and more lethal force.  He also predicts that two types of jihad attacks will  emerge to be visited on the West.  BTW we are still fast asleep.  1. Centrally ordered and planned jihad attack (aka Paris - well organised and planned with weapons at the ready) and 2. "Individual Jihad" organised  by any one of the millions of orthodox Muslims who heed  the call of their Imam or their local Mosque.

If Coughlan is correct in his prediction, it would serve us to understand what Islam has in store for unbelievers.


Rest In Peace, Amjad Mohammed Ben Sasi. May your name live long and true in a world full of lies.

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#19 2015-11-29 17:50:43

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

I should add that Coughlin's (apologise for  the incorrect spelling above) series "The Red Pill" may be of interest to forum members out there who still retain the old fashioned habit of looking at source documents, reading  the Koran, the Hadith and the Sira, and drawing rational conclusions from the material at hand. http://vladtepesblog.com/stephen-coughl … t-17-2015/ 

Clare Lopez is another specialist on the plans in place by the Muslim Brotherhood and their organisational  allies all over the West (Muslim Student Associations, CAIR, AIM, etc - there are at least 29 organisations identified as MB front  orgs in the Holy Land Foundation trial in the  USA).  Similar sounding organisations  are in Australia.  I wish  a journalist with the MSM would do some research on these organisations.


Rest In Peace, Amjad Mohammed Ben Sasi. May your name live long and true in a world full of lies.

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#20 2015-11-29 17:58:36

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

sterling-nz wrote:
Holdfast wrote:

You all have it wrong!

99 percent...and Civil war looming in Turkey!

Its nothing to do with oil!

Religion!

Soon you will see civil war in Turkey which will spread through Europe and the cancer will turn to who's side you are on.

Mark my words...we are looking at a clever organization who has a goal to unite the indoctrinated Islamic folk to try to over-throw the Christians.

I think you are in the ball park Holdfast.
I would have said it is the maybe the other way around with Christians mounting the war (may be not though).
It really turtles me off because i certainly will not align myself with the Muslim views when the war starts at home and i DO NOT want to have to align myself with the bloody Christians either.
By just like jailhouse rules sides will have to be taken or everyone will take turns on me.............Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !.
Very very frustrating and INFURIATING.


I agree 100 percent and stand the same.

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#21 2015-11-30 02:35:12

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Where the hell is this coming from? I would love to hear the analysis of how oil tankers are making their way to Zahko from ISIS held territory.

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#22 2015-11-30 03:31:40

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Turkey has begun a defacto blockade of Russian naval vessels,  preventing transit through the Dardanelles and the Strait of Bosporus, between the Black Sea and Mediterranean.
According to the AIS tracking system for the movement of maritime vessels, only Turkish vessels are moving along the Bosphorus, and in the Dardanelles there is no movement of any shipping at all.
At the same time, both from the Black Sea, and from the Mediterranean Sea, there is a small cluster of ships under the Russian flag, just sitting and waiting.
The image below shows the situation with the ships using the GPS transponder onboard each vessel:

In addition, shipping inside the Black Sea from Novorossiisk and Sevastopol in the direction of the Bosphorus, no Russian vessels are moving. This indirectly confirms the a CNN statement that Turkey may have blocked the movement of Russian ships on the Dardanelles and the Strait of Bosporus.

There is a Treaty specifically covering the use of these waterways by nations of the world.  That Treaty is the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits.
It is a 1936 agreement that gives Turkey control over the Bosporus Straitsand the Dardanelles and regulates the transit of naval warships. The Convention gives Turkey full control over the Straits and guarantees the free passage of civilian vessels in peacetime. It restricts the passage of naval ships not belonging to Black Sea states. The terms of the convention have been the source of controversy over the years, most notably concerning theSoviet Union's military access to the Mediterranean Sea.
Signed on 20 July 1936 at the Montreux Palace in Switzerland, it permitted Turkey to remilitarise the Straits. It went into effect on 9 November 1936 and was registered in League of Nations Treaty Series on 11 December 1936. It is still in force today, with some amendments.
The Convention consists of 29 Articles, four annexes and one protocol. Articles 2–7 consider the passage of merchant ships. Articles 8–22 consider the passage of war vessels. The key principle of freedom of passage and navigation is stated in articles 1 and 2. Article 1 provides that "The High Contracting Parties recognize and affirm the principle of freedom of passage and navigation by sea in the Straits". Article 2 states that "In time of peace, merchant vessels shall enjoy complete freedom of passage and navigation in the Straits, by day and by night, under any flag with any kind of cargo."
The International Straits Commission was abolished, authorizing the full resumption of Turkish military control over the Straits and the refortification of the Dardanelles. Turkey was authorized to close the Straits to all foreign warships in wartime or when it was threatened by aggression; additionally, it was authorized to refuse transit from merchant ships belonging to countries at war with Turkey.
Turkey has now invoked its power, but has not publicly stated whether they are blocking Russian Naval Vessels because Turkey is "threatened with aggression" or whether Turkey considers itself to be "at war."  Last week, Turkey shot down a Russian military jet over Syria and this has caused a major rift between the two nations.
This latest development of blockading Russian naval vessels is a massive and terrifyingly dangerous development.  Blockading Russia and preventing its Black Sea fleet from traveling to the rest of the world, or back to its home port,  is something that will not sit well with the Russians.
Earlier today, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the deployment of 150,000 Russian troops and equipment into Syria, but then ALSO ordered the deployment of 7,000 additional Russian Troops, tanks, rocket launchers and artillery, to the Russian Border of Turkey at Armenia, with orders to be "fully combat ready."

From InfoWars

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#23 2015-11-30 04:09:19

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Well I know how you all love the TBTF Bankers and conspiracy theories.

Check out David Wilcocks latest posts for some compelling reading about ISIS.  Keep an open mind .. i think there's a few pearls to be found.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davi … imitstart=


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#24 2015-11-30 05:51:33

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

Well I consulted the I Ching about a financial decision I've been pondering and it warned that a giant external problem that I would have no control over was coming soon, and if I didn't act this time I'd be glad when the correct time to act comes at a time in the future.

I Ching hasn't let me down yet!
LOL

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#25 2015-11-30 06:48:30

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Re: ISIS...Will it be all over by Christmas?

JulieW wrote:

Well I consulted the I Ching about a financial decision I've been pondering and it warned that a giant external problem that I would have no control over was coming soon, and if I didn't act this time I'd be glad when the correct time to act comes at a time in the future.

I Ching hasn't let me down yet!
LOL

Perhaps I should have consulted the I Ching before pushing the button on $37 silver big_smile


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