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#26 2015-03-10 04:52:38

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Re: International Women's Day

Gift - "A gift or a present is an item given to someone without the expectation of payment".

If only we hadn't all listened to Tony in 2010, when he told us that our virginities were "a most precious gift"...........and gave them away, we could have all used them as a stimulus.....package  tongue

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#27 2015-03-11 08:36:26

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Re: International Women's Day

I was actually thinking about putting together a million man march in melbourne to fight for equal opportunity for men, then realised I CBF.


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#28 2015-03-12 04:13:33

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Re: International Women's Day

Met a 21 year old uni student last week who was doing some sort of social studies majoring in feminism, so couldn't help myself.

I understand feminism has an important role in third world countries, and I asked her whats unequal in Australia?

She said the Pay Gap as expected.... So I asked if it has more to do with the type of professions men and women do. ie in hospitals, there are more male doctors than Female, and More female Nurses than Male.

Her response was that its unfair that the female dominated professions such as nurses, teachers and social workers gets paid less.

She also noted that even for the same work and same experience, Women gets paid way less.  So I said, as a business owner, if I could pay women less to do the exact same job, then I would only hire women to reduce labour costs......

She shrugged it off and says but doesnt happen in the real world. ( I was thinking because the gap doesnt exist or not big enough to make any difference in the real world)

I then asked her about whether having children, taking maternity leave, and working part time has anything to do with pay gap as many women are more family oriented rather than career driven.

Her reply was: Well its unfair that women has to have children and take time off. Also men should take mandatory paternity leave. I was like WTF, Really? Mandatory leave? its like communism where equality is achieved by making everyone equally poor.

She then goes on to talk about how women suffers more from domestic violence.
There I agreed with her but I wouldnt classify it as an equality issue. Ps what are those women doing with those A holes anyway.

In the end I don't think Neither of us convinced each other of anything.

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#29 2015-03-12 20:51:44

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Re: International Women's Day

p.s.


International Women's Day - Wikpedia

International Women's Day (IWD), originally called International Working Women's Day, is celebrated on March 8 every year.[2] In different regions the focus of the celebrations ranges from general celebration of respect, appreciation, and love towards women to a celebration for women's economic, political, and social achievements. Started as a Socialist political event, the holiday blended the culture of many countries, primarily in Europe, especially those in the Soviet Bloc. In some regions, the day lost its political flavor, and became simply an occasion for people to express their love for women in a way somewhat similar to a mixture of Mother's Day and Valentine's Day. In other regions, however, the political and human rights theme designated by the United Nations runs strong, and political and social awareness of the struggles of women worldwide are brought out and examined in a hopeful manner.

The broad objectives are, to my mind, the following:

An 8 year old girl died last week in Yeman after being married to a 40 year old. She suffered massive trauma to her vagina on her 'wedding' night and died due to lack of medical attention.
Two years ago the Yemen government changed the legal age of marriage to 17 years old but the law was thrown out as it was found to be against the countries religion,
http://forums.silverstackers.com/messag … ml#p781273

In Victoria alone, police were called out to 65,393 domestic violence incidents in 2013–14 – twice as many as in 2009–10. Of those, almost 30,000 were serious enough for police to press charges. Victims are reporting more frequently, but women's services say the actual rate of domestic violence is also increasing, as is the severity of the physical attacks. Despite growing confidence in the police, it's still a massively under-reported crime: police estimate they only get called out to 40–50% of cases.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/201 … ome-truths

Further on:

"People really struggle to understand that for family violence to be present, there are two key attributes to it. One of them is that one party is in fear of the other. The other is that the abuser uses a planned, systematic approach to remove a person's confidence, support networks and independence in order to highlight their own power and control within the relationship."

Most people have arguments with the person they love. It's normal to feel jealous, say things you regret, even scream the house down. It only becomes domestic violence when this is bent towards controlling the other person, in a way that provokes fear.

There's another thing people are confused about. "When I do presentations on domestic violence," says Gillespie, "I now start by saying, 'Let's get this question out of the way,' because someone is sitting there waiting to say it."

Do women abuse as much as men? No. The idea that domestic violence is "gender equal", and that women's violence against men is a "silent epidemic", is nonsense.

Men do suffer domestic violence, at the hands of both female and male partners. They can become isolated, humiliated and injured, and they too need support. But when men's rights groups claim that one in three victims of family violence is male, they promote a dangerous fiction. According to sociologist Michael Flood, these statistics derive from a widely criticised measurement tool that only counts individual acts of violence (such as slapping and punching). It doesn't ask whether that act was part of a pattern of abuse or if it was an act of self-defence, and it neglects to measure other violent acts such as sexual abuse, stalking and intimate homicide.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics is clear on this: in 2012, 87% of domestic violence victims were women. Where women are the perpetrators, the violence is different: studies have repeatedly shown that it's not as prolonged, and that men are far less likely to be living in fear. They're also far less likely to be murdered: men kill women in four out of five intimate partner homicides.

Essentially:

Despite fashionable debates about whether we're living in post-feminist times, the uncomfortable truth is that our not-so-distant history still feeds into our beliefs. A late-19th-century married woman was literally a man's property, and it was his duty to protect her. The common law doctrine of coverture vanquished a woman's legal rights on her wedding day, and assigned them to her husband. From that day on, she and her husband were considered to be the same person – and that person was the husband. Coverture was abolished in 1882, but its legacy endured; until the 1990s, a marriage certificate conveyed permanent sexual consent, and Australian men were permitted by law to rape their wives.

Domestic violence is the modern legacy of this history. When the art collector Charles Saatchi throttled his celebrity chef wife Nigella Lawson at an upmarket restaurant in London in 2013, he wasn't just losing his temper. Lawson later testified in court that she had noticed "a sweet baby" in a stroller nearby and said she was looking forward to becoming a grandmother. Saatchi grabbed her by the throat and told her, "I am the only person who should be giving you pleasure." He described the incident to the press as a "playful tiff".

I have friends, and a relative, who have had to flee murderous husbands or constant abuse (physical, emotional, economic). One woman I know whose husband molested her children was told by her parents that 'her place' was to return to her husband, such is the imprinting of inequality in society. The failure of women to adequately describe feminism and what equality really means, in no way diminishes the need for everyone to assess what interpersonal relations and society's role in the subjugation and consequent violence against women really mean to us all, male and female.

I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute.
-Rebecca West (1913)

and yes, I'm all for Men's Rights. I think everyone should have quite an exhaustive list of Human Rights.

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#30 2015-03-12 21:02:00

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Re: International Women's Day

I worked with a guy, who was a gentle, charming individual. A really nice family guy.

He was continually harassed by his wife to the point that she would walk up behind him and break a platter over his head.

On one occasion after the platter incident, he responded whilst he was on the floor in obvious pain verbally, that 'he would do her'.

Well, she called the police and got him evicted for threatening her. The end result was that he lost the house, and family etc.

I have also heard of other family violence matters against men, which is the opposite of what the media cultivates.


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#31 2015-03-12 21:17:16

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Re: International Women's Day

Does watching lesbian porn count as celebrating international women's day?

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#32 2015-03-12 21:47:19

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Re: International Women's Day

Boston, I've also heard similar stories about men, but not of men who have had to flee interstate to avoid being murdered, as a friend of mine had to.

Domestic violence is not all one sided but if you read the article link you'll see that the consequences for women are usually much greater.

To say that "men kill women in four out of five intimate partner homicides", means that women are responsible for one in  - and yes, the courts often excuse or reduce culpability based upon long histories of domestic violence. I'm not arguing that there are not men who suffer as well. What I'm arguing is that a lot more women suffer, and suffer a lot more, and that is the point (in my mind) of International Women's Day. To remind populations and politicians that a lot of women need some equality and human rights. A lot of men do also, but there isn't much call for more 'Men's Shelters'.

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#33 2015-03-13 00:15:30

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Re: International Women's Day

" ... a lot more women suffer, and suffer a lot more, and that is the point (in my mind) of International Women's Day. To remind populations and politicians that a lot of women need some equality and human rights. A lot of men do also, but there isn't much call for more 'Men's Shelters'."

Not denying some of the other premises, but would dispute all this. The day is a political event that promotes the interests of one gender. If you say women's interests are promoted only up to the level of equality and no further well heck gawsh that's just untrue. I've known lots of guys who've lost out in the power struggle and they're rotting away in rooming houses or whatever. There isn't much call for men's shelters because that bunch of guys don't exist in  anyone's field of attention. There's no ideology or cosy club or equivalent of lesbian or indigenous celebrities in parliament or the media for them.

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#34 2015-03-13 00:19:04

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Re: International Women's Day

... the squawking wheel gets the grease

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#35 2015-03-13 00:23:43

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Re: International Women's Day

In Brazil they've just made a new law so that committing crimes against women will get worse punishments than against men #equality

Because women's lives are more valuable by law?

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#36 2015-03-13 02:34:03

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Re: International Women's Day

col0016 wrote:

In Brazil they've just made a new law so that committing crimes against women will get worse punishments than against men #equality

Because women's lives are more valuable by law?

Going by that type of idiotic reasoning committing crimes against the state/police/military should receive the least amount of punishment.


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#37 2016-02-08 18:27:48

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Re: International Women's Day

The Workplace Gender Equality Agency employs 38 staff. 35 are women lol


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#38 2016-02-08 18:33:28

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House wrote:

The Workplace Gender Equality Agency employs 38 staff. 35 are women lol

Source?

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#39 2016-02-08 18:34:52

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Re: International Women's Day

WTF ........ I honestly thought every day was a women's day !
Now there's a price on it ?
what a gip.
smile

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#40 2016-02-08 19:12:43

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Re: International Women's Day

Love women? You need to get to know  Roosh.  http://www.returnofkings.com/

Feminism has morphed into a dangerous and destructive clown show.  Young women are being taught to hate men, despise children and themselves.  It is Marxist tripe.


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#41 2016-02-09 03:50:47

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Re: International Women's Day

col0016 wrote:
House wrote:

The Workplace Gender Equality Agency employs 38 staff. 35 are women lol

Source?

Not sure where House got his figures from (perhaps a more recent source?), but the 2014-2015 Annual Report shows that 27 of 29 staff were women hmm

https://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/f … _14_15.pdf  (Appendix 7)

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#42 2016-02-09 05:15:26

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Re: International Women's Day

whinfell wrote:
col0016 wrote:
House wrote:

The Workplace Gender Equality Agency employs 38 staff. 35 are women lol

Source?

Not sure where House got his figures from (perhaps a more recent source?), but the 2014-2015 Annual Report shows that 27 of 29 staff were women hmm

https://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/f … _14_15.pdf  (Appendix 7)

It was from the comments section of some random Aussie property bubble article I can't find now but Whinfell's numbers are pretty much the same.


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#43 2016-02-09 05:53:42

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Re: International Women's Day

What is gender equality? We are not homogenous entities.
Beside the obvious differences there are many not so obvious ones.
It is impossible to define. Each woman is a unique individual.
If the subject is human rights then it applies to each and every one of us. There is no denying that women bare the brunt of much violence and suffering in the world but this goes beyond gender equality.
I believe highlighting the female gender actually has the opposite effect.
I will give an example of highlighting that works the opposite of its supposed intention.
Many Bed and Breakfast establishments advertise 'pet friendly' followed by 'gay friendly'. I am not gay but I am sure that many gays can see the offence here. It supposes the opposite that the gays are starting out in the rank of an unwanted animal.
Perhaps it is all just political in the end.

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#44 2016-02-09 07:43:42

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Re: International Women's Day

Yes...and to a lesser degree, men with red hair.

"The plight of the redhead continues. Cryos International in Denmark, the largest sperm bank in the world, has stopped accepting sperm from flame-haired would-be donors.

The Telegraph reports that the rejection is simply a matter of supply and demand: sperm from redheads is rarely requested from those who are buying the, er, product. "There are too many redheads in relation to demand," said Ole Schou, the director of the bank, told a Danish newspaper. "I do not think you choose a redhead, unless the partner — for example, the sterile male — has red hair, or because the lone woman has a preference for redheads. And that's perhaps not so many, especially in the latter case."

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#45 2016-02-09 08:20:44

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Re: International Women's Day

A word with a terrible history
Of being used to abuse, oppress and subdue
Just six seemingly harmless letters
Arranged in a way that will form a word
With more power than the pieces of metal
That are forged to make swords

A couple of Gs, an R and an E, an I and an N
Just six little letters all jumbled together

Tim Minchin - Prejudice.


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#46 2016-02-09 08:25:03

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Re: International Women's Day

EGGRING?

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#47 2016-02-10 00:22:48

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Re: International Women's Day

tolly_67 wrote:

EGGRING?

Worse...

The G word!


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#48 2016-02-10 04:00:35

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Re: International Women's Day

GINGER?

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#49 2016-02-10 04:47:54

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Re: International Women's Day

Only a Ginger can call another Ginger "Ginger"


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#50 2016-03-07 22:07:08

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Re: International Women's Day

whinfell wrote:
col0016 wrote:
House wrote:

The Workplace Gender Equality Agency employs 38 staff. 35 are women lol

Source?

Not sure where House got his figures from (perhaps a more recent source?), but the 2014-2015 Annual Report shows that 27 of 29 staff were women hmm

https://www.wgea.gov.au/sites/default/f … _14_15.pdf  (Appendix 7)

Well they've ignored all 3 of my emails asking for confirmation of this. Maybe it's because I sign off with a male name? I'll try 'Housette' in sparkly pink next time.

Happy International Women's Day to you all smile


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