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#51 2014-04-28 06:57:50

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Re: Debt Levy

Big A.D. wrote:

Special levies to cover individual projects (like meeting the needs of disabled people) or random acts of nature (like the Queensland floods) are appropriate ways to pay for those things and governments enact them all the time.

What about special levies to cover bailouts?

Or special levies to cover random acts of economic stupidity?

Or acts of legislation which effectively give corporations special levies (in the form of preferential treatment with wages, taxes and working conditions) at the expense of other businesses?

Nothing any government does is appropriate - no matter how you justify it. Except maybe seppuku.

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#52 2014-04-28 07:09:25

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Re: Debt Levy

What would actually be fair would be getting rid of all taxes except a consumption tax.

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#53 2014-04-28 07:16:00

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Re: Debt Levy

doomsday surprise wrote:

What would actually be fair would be getting rid of all taxes except a consumption tax.

How would that be fair?

Governments would still divvie up the proceeds from it and return it to favoured groups at the expense of others.  wink


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#54 2014-04-28 08:18:19

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Re: Debt Levy

Results not typical wrote:

What would actually be fair is a levy imposed on everyone who voted for Labor and the Greens. They are responsible for the debt.

I hope you get slapped hard with this debt levy as you are responsible for voting these morons in


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#55 2014-04-28 08:39:38

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Re: Debt Levy

Court Jester wrote:
Results not typical wrote:

What would actually be fair is a levy imposed on everyone who voted for Labor and the Greens. They are responsible for the debt.

I hope you get slapped hard with this debt levy as you are responsible for voting these morons in

I didn't vote Labor and they are the morons that created the debt. Are you worried that the new government will take away your dole money?

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#56 2014-04-28 08:46:00

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Re: Debt Levy

I would also like to make a proposal:

A breathing tax for all politicians.


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#57 2014-04-28 08:52:00

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Re: Debt Levy

Clearly financially illiterate people vote for financially illiterate political parties. Since Labor put the country into the deepest debt in it's history the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd experiment were equally clearly the most financially illiterate governments in our history.

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#58 2014-04-28 08:59:10

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Re: Debt Levy

same old BS.. media leaks portraying scenarios regarding pensions, taxes, debt, everyone must pay... Come budget night, nothing unexpected, not as bad as expected..

Move on, nothing new here.

Maybe the MP's salaries will be given a haircut? NBL.

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#59 2014-04-28 17:33:24

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#60 2014-04-28 17:34:58

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Re: Debt Levy

What utter crap, another grab and continuation of class warfare. 

I could understand this if they cut paid parental, NDIS etc.  But this is just a cash grab, very disappointed and no I have never voted left.

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#61 2014-04-28 18:44:01

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Re: Debt Levy

SilverPete wrote:

This is simply a tax increase to address the damage done to the tax base during the Howard years and to pay for the Liberal's massive spending splurge (handouts to rich women, extra jets, RBA handout, etc).

And yet Howard left us with a surplus while lowering the income tax burden. Labor left us in the worst debt in history.

Make up your mind. You complain that Howard lowered taxes and "damages the tax base" and now you complain that Abbot is increasing taxes to repair the tax base.

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#62 2014-04-28 18:50:17

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Re: Debt Levy

mmm....shiney! wrote:

Nothing any government does is appropriate - no matter how you justify it. Except maybe seppuku.

Seppuku?... they serve that at my local chinese take-out... it's a spicy egg noodle (number 5 on the menu)  really kills
they also have Hari Kari (Number 22) chilli-fish soup... careful, it'll seriously rip ya guts out
or for a milder palate there's Jigai (Number 12) steamed cabbage dumpling... just let your partner know she's in for a pretty bad night between the sheets,
or to get even, she can order a serve of Oibara (Number 13) it's essentially just raw brussel sprouts and cheese... but you get the idea

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#63 2014-04-28 19:13:40

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Re: Debt Levy

I am not an economist (which is a good thing, they get things wrong even more that weather forecasters) so my opinions on the economy have no real weight but I think that Abbott should learn from Howard - Lowering taxes would be likely to stimulate the economy and let the private sector get on with raising prosperity. Increasing taxes would, I think stifle the economy. Governments and the public service do not generate prosperity. Time will tell I guess.

For Abbott to make such an electorally unpopular decision he must be extremely worried about something though, Labor were too cowardly to make the tough calls, at least Abbott is putting the economy before his own personal desire for approval. He may be right or he may be wrong on this call but he has guts.

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#64 2014-04-28 19:20:40

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Re: Debt Levy

On second thought

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#65 2014-04-28 19:51:25

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Re: Debt Levy

mmm....shiney! wrote:
doomsday surprise wrote:

What would actually be fair would be getting rid of all taxes except a consumption tax.

How would that be fair?

Governments would still divvie up the proceeds from it and return it to favoured groups at the expense of others.  wink

As I consume very little, I couldn't give two turkeys what the government wasted the tax on. In fact, I would have lots more money to go travelling overseas and give useless governments around the world my money. tongue

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#66 2014-04-28 20:57:06

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Re: Debt Levy

Call it what it really is, this is a 1-2% income tax increase for skilled workers.

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#67 2014-04-28 21:04:04

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Re: Debt Levy

No taxes!
Just levies big_smile:D:D:D

Considering how corrupt and inept Napthine is, he need his mate Tony to pull $800 a year from all you rich people to get Dennis re-elected. After all he needs liberal state governments to increase the GST and to put more levies on you.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politi … zr0es.html

The Abbott government will commit more than a billion dollars to fund the second stage of the East West Link road under a deal hammered out with the Napthine government.

Fairfax Media has learned the federal and state governments have finally reached agreement on Canberra's contribution to the road in recent days.

The agreement is expected to be formally announced later this week, just days before the Victorian and federal budgets are handed down.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ … z30EUgUCY2

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#68 2014-04-28 21:06:33

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Re: Debt Levy

JulieW wrote:

No taxes!
Just levies big_smile:D:D:D

Considering how corrupt and inept Napthine is, he need his mate Tony to pull $800 a year from all you rich people to get Dennis re-elected. After all he needs liberal state governments to increase the GST and to put more levies on you.

Another $1.5 billion dollar splurge from Abbott. This guy will bankrupt the country with his fiscal ineptitude and billion dollar handouts.


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#69 2014-04-28 21:10:23

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Re: Debt Levy

SilverPete wrote:
JulieW wrote:

No taxes!
Just levies big_smile:D:D:D

Considering how corrupt and inept Napthine is, he need his mate Tony to pull $800 a year from all you rich people to get Dennis re-elected. After all he needs liberal state governments to increase the GST and to put more levies on you.

Another $1.5 billion dollar splurge from Abbott. This guy will bankrupt the country with his fiscal ineptitude and billion dollar handouts.

Hey, don't knock the 'infrastructure prime minister of Australia'.
Can there be anyone more sycophantic than that douche bag from Victoria?

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#70 2014-04-28 21:10:51

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Re: Debt Levy

RNT If he's doing smart things for the economy and not popularity explain the stupid paid parental leave that isn't even popular in his party that he's trying to push through to become more popular with female voters.

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#71 2014-04-28 21:15:36

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Re: Debt Levy

Results not typical wrote:
Court Jester wrote:
Results not typical wrote:

What would actually be fair is a levy imposed on everyone who voted for Labor and the Greens. They are responsible for the debt.

I hope you get slapped hard with this debt levy as you are responsible for voting these morons in

I didn't vote Labor and they are the morons that created the debt. Are you worried that the new government will take away your dole money?

Well you should have as now the Libs who are introducing a new "Levy" to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor, you might as well have voted for Labor


But don't worry

They will give it back to the well off with their overly generous paid parental leave scheme.

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#72 2014-04-28 21:37:36

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Re: Debt Levy

col0016 wrote:

RNT If he's doing smart things for the economy and not popularity explain the stupid paid parental leave that isn't even popular in his party that he's trying to push through to become more popular with female voters.

I completely agree with you re the PPL.

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#73 2014-04-28 21:41:57

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RNT,


"but I think that Abbott should learn from Howard - Lowering taxes would be likely to stimulate the economy and let the private sector get on with raising prosperity. Increasing taxes would, I think stifle the economy. Governments and the public service do not generate prosperity. Time will tell I guess."


I think they used to call that "Reaganomics".   It ended up doubling the US debt to  $2 Trillion by 1988.


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#74 2014-04-28 21:42:20

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Re: Debt Levy

Court Jester wrote:

Well you should have as now the Libs who are introducing a new "Levy" to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor, you might as well have voted for Labor

But don't worry

They will give it back to the well off with their overly generous paid parental leave scheme.

Or pay rises for politicians for a job well done!

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa … 6866256474

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#75 2014-04-28 21:46:13

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Re: Debt Levy

Court Jester wrote:
Results not typical wrote:
Court Jester wrote:

I hope you get slapped hard with this debt levy as you are responsible for voting these morons in

I didn't vote Labor and they are the morons that created the debt. Are you worried that the new government will take away your dole money?

Well you should have as now the Libs who are introducing a new "Levy" to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor, you might as well have voted for Labor


But don't worry

They will give it back to the well off with their overly generous paid parental leave scheme.

I have to say that I think that TA made a very bad call with the PPL scheme, I assume that it is his big flaw -  his christian background leaning him too heavily towards family units. It won't get through, the Greens say that will now veto it and it will then need only 5 Liberals to abstain from voting and it will be dead.

As for the rest, I don't understand you - You were presumably in Australia for the last 6 years, you saw the cascading economic failures of Labor that put is into 180 billion dollars debt with nothing to show for it yet you completely ignore this and blame Howard.

By August last year the ALP was on the verge of trading whale insolvent and close to being put into receivership which is why Gillard was kicked out and Rudd put back in the Chair - To save enough seats to make the ALP a few million dollars to save them from being shut down by ASIC. They don't have enough money to run an election campaign in 2-3 years, they will be lucky to still be solvent by then. They ran the countries finances the same way that they run their own party finances. Badly.

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