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#1 2013-12-06 01:16:26

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New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Chanced upon this from a video posted by SalivateMetal

I only bought 2 of the 1.5 oz polar bear coins. Really nice chunky feeling to it but a pity it's so prone to milkspotting.

And from experience, would be worthwhile waiting for secondary dealers to carry them to avoid paying expensive premiums.


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Source: http://www.learcapital.com/arcticfoxcoin.html

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Source: http://www.learcapital.com/arcticfoxcoin.html


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#2 2013-12-06 01:27:28

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Nice coin... wish there was decent competition to the Perthmint... but alas RCM milk spots are not terribly tempting, but still closest there is


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#3 2013-12-06 08:30:10

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

The milk spots will blend in on this one, 3-D snow effect LOL


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#4 2013-12-07 11:06:25

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

I've obtained quite a few Polar Bears and luckily they are all free of the cursed spots. They are a chunky coin and a but different to the one oz. I hope to find a seller of the Fox coin whilst spot remains low.


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#5 2013-12-07 23:59:16

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

My Polar Bear is covered in milkspots. Does my head in frankly.

If anyone is interested, there are some big images of the coin up on the site. http://agaunews.com/?p=7540

Beautiful coin. I like it a lot, which makes the spotting doubly annoying.


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#6 2013-12-08 03:06:28

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

AgAuNEWS wrote:

My Polar Bear is covered in milkspots. Does my head in frankly.

If anyone is interested, there are some big images of the coin up on the site. http://agaunews.com/?p=7540

Beautiful coin. I like it a lot, which makes the spotting doubly annoying.

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Source: http://www.learcapital.com/arcticfoxcoin.html

After the surprising decision to release a 1.5-ounce silver bullion coin last year, the Royal Canadian Mint has followed it for 2014 with an attractive Arctic Fox coin. Weirdly, the denomination has dropped from $8 to just $5, a minor point when dealing with $20 worth of silver, but notable regardless.

Looks like you have quoted the wrong image and specification in your website. It's 8 CAD instead of 5 CAD.

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#7 2013-12-08 05:08:32

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Thanks. Must've had a brainfart. LOL


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#8 2013-12-08 08:54:55

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

I looked at getting one of these from Lear Capital, shipping would be $24!  Will these eventually make it out to other on line retailers?

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#9 2013-12-08 11:42:55

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Yes. Lear just have the US distribution rights.


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#10 2013-12-08 12:06:02

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Hellcat6 wrote:

I looked at getting one of these from Lear Capital, shipping would be $24!  Will these eventually make it out to other on line retailers?

Now you can buy the Canadian polar bears on apmex.

Just a matter of time that's all.


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#11 2013-12-19 01:38:28

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Milk Spots are quite easily removed with tooth paste. Rub between fingers or in a microfibre cloth.

The Polar Bears were much more affordable in Europe than in CA/US. Hardly any premium over Maple Leafs, as low as 2%. I got a bunch, one of my larger silver positions if not the largest. Hope I will be able to source the Foxes cheaply also. Would this be turning into an Arctic series of sorts?
We're all missing out now that RCM is not doing a Wildlife Series II of sorts. Just that 25 year Maple isn't going to cut it for 2014 IMO.

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#12 2013-12-19 02:18:40

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

XCskater wrote:

Milk Spots are quite easily removed with tooth paste. Rub between fingers or in a microfibre cloth.

The Polar Bears were much more affordable in Europe than in CA/US. Hardly any premium over Maple Leafs, as low as 2%. I got a bunch, one of my larger silver positions if not the largest. Hope I will be able to source the Foxes cheaply also. Would this be turning into an Arctic series of sorts?
We're all missing out now that RCM is not doing a Wildlife Series II of sorts. Just that 25 year Maple isn't going to cut it for 2014 IMO.


I agree - P.B.'s were obtainable at good prices in Europe and I got a stash.
Amazed at the premiums in the USA despite no VAT added.
I also sourced some capsules that fit the 1.5 oz coins.

No-one is listing the Fox and with VAT in Germany rising from 7% to 19% shortly I might abandon adding silver altogether.


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#13 2013-12-19 02:43:26

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Photonaware wrote:

I also sourced some capsules that fit the 1.5 oz coins.

No-one is listing the Fox and with VAT in Germany rising from 7% to 19% shortly I might abandon adding silver altogether.

Where are you located?
I'd ike some of those capsules and I have intel on affordable (legal even) silver if you don't splash it all over the internet. Helps you flip silver short term. It's what I do as I live on a negative (yes, you read that correctly) purchase power to keep alive, and stacking.

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#14 2014-02-19 03:01:33

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Bump for the Silver Fox :-) I was just wondering why the premiums are so high on this, compared to the Polar Bear? Polar Bear around €30 Silver Fox around €41.50 :-(

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#15 2014-02-19 04:13:05

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Geiger, a German dealer and mint house, answer to me :  (Google translated)
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In the case of polar bears existed in Europe and America each an exclusive supplier / rights owner, who sold the coin as bullion coin, and submitted to each a minimum order of several hundred thousand pieces per year.

The arctic fox is, however, not designed as a bullion coin, the minimum purchase should be much lower, but the premium has increased enormously. Furthermore, the sole licensee shall make no interest commercialization in Europe priced, so we have to import the coins through our American store-consuming and increases costs.
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I think it comes down to greed/smart business.
They seeded a market to WANT this series, and then changed the rules on us. From maybe 800,000 or so minted (my guess) in 2013, they will drop under 100,000 probably, and make MORE profit from it.
Not designed as bullion coin, but otherwise identical to Polar Bear. Maybe the strikes will be slightly more decent. The Polar Bears had some vertical lines in them?

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#16 2014-02-19 05:04:41

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

I got a couple of Polar Bears and was also not thrilled by the higher premium on the fox.  But the hook is already in and I bought a couple on eBay, waiting for them to come in now.  Really like the look, size and feel of these!

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#17 2014-02-19 05:24:41

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Hellcat6 wrote:

I got a couple of Polar Bears and was also not thrilled by the higher premium on the fox.  But the hook is already in and I bought a couple on eBay, waiting for them to come in now.  Really like the look, size and feel of these!

Would you rate them higher quality?
I'll buy some to flip, or see if they can increase premium, but really, they are higher priced than some pretty flashy coins already. Panda's, Ruanda, close to Lunar II Horse.

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#18 2014-02-19 06:16:26

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Defintely keen to get a tube of Foxes but unwilling to pay the premium right now. Not helped by the recent rise is spot - well overdue but not desirable when in the market to buy ! Cannot win.


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#19 2014-02-19 06:23:00

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Photonaware wrote:

Defintely keen to get a tube of Foxes but unwilling to pay the premium right now. Not helped by the recent rise is spot - well overdue but not desirable when in the market to buy ! Cannot win.

Win by buying something that will likely accumulate premium. Buy Foxes from the proceeds. A complicated discount scheme with gamble factor.

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#20 2014-02-19 07:21:36

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

High premium and milkspots? No thanks!

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#21 2014-02-19 07:27:32

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Milk spots can literally be erased. White soft clean eraser. Or toothpaste between the fingers, I'm told.

And, I've heard the milk spots may be a thing of the past. At least for Maple Leafs. The 2014's I got are a pretty neat coin indeed.

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#22 2014-02-19 07:42:47

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

XCskater wrote:

Milk spots can literally be erased. White soft clean eraser. Or toothpaste between the fingers, I'm told.

And, I've heard the milk spots may be a thing of the past. At least for Maple Leafs. The 2014's I got are a pretty neat coin indeed.

None of that methods work so well, they leave marks and scratches. If milkspots are a thing of the past is another question. I believe it when i see it. RCM have had this big problems with milkspots for many years without doing anything about it.

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#23 2014-02-19 07:45:22

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

On another forum I frequent, there are already reports of heavy milk spotting on the 2014 maples.

Shame really

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#24 2014-02-19 10:14:02

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

Milk Spots


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#25 2014-02-19 12:22:28

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Re: New 2014 Canada 1.5 Oz Silver Arctic Fox

swe_silver wrote:
XCskater wrote:

Milk spots can literally be erased. White soft clean eraser. Or toothpaste between the fingers, I'm told.

And, I've heard the milk spots may be a thing of the past. At least for Maple Leafs. The 2014's I got are a pretty neat coin indeed.

None of that methods work so well, they leave marks and scratches. If milkspots are a thing of the past is another question. I believe it when i see it. RCM have had this big problems with milkspots for many years without doing anything about it.

Fair, they didn't do anything about it. Then, they make .9999 coins at bullion prices. There hardly is competition.

Do fingers and toothpaste also leave marks? I will give it a better go.

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