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#251 2016-04-14 13:53:49

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

I hope the cut the order in half. Now that would save some $$$$$$, smile

Hope the new Russian electronic system doesn't hinder their operation.

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#252 2016-04-15 23:16:02

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Refer to post 243...re US Donald Cook...

Latest MS media on ABC ! It seems like the incident happened recently (BS) US just watched with their cameras and took movies as the Russian unarmed jets flew past several times... (BS)

After viewing the incident on Google months ago.  Why would anyone believe this latest version? Maybe the Russian jets were using the Khabini electronic system that they used on the 12th April 2014 against the USS Donald Cook which was equiped with the AEGIS electronic system.


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Seems strange that the USS Donald Cook was involved in similar incidents 2 years apart in the Black Sea and now the Baltic Sea? roll

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#253 2016-12-12 12:57:23

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Donald Trump is concerned about the rising cost of the F35 fighter. Seems like according to Bloomberg that the Congress has just been informed that the project price had just gone up $650 billion...  Their cost per plane is now well over $100 million each!

Maybe Treasurer Morrison can reduce our order of the F35's by 10 and save us taxpayers $1 billion.

Israel has just taken delivery of four of the lemons..I bet that they got a discount price:)

When will Australia buy defence equipment that is available today off the shelf instead of weapons of the future..

When will we get our F35"s and subs delivered...

WW3 may well be all over by then.

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#254 2016-12-12 18:30:36

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

we should be buying from the Russians now, as they currently have operational aircraft in the air NOW that are superior to the F35


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#255 2016-12-13 02:44:52

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Court Jester wrote:

we should be buying from the Russians now, as they currently have operational aircraft in the air NOW that are superior to the F35


Add the Khibini system and we have a war plane!


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#256 2017-01-16 10:59:08

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Yes Pyne and Turnbull still think the the F 35 is a great buy!

Their egos won't let go!

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#257 2017-01-17 06:32:18

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

We were offered raptors, then CAF USAF was an old RAAF exchange officer back in his early years, backed us all the way with a study that said we could have them without significant technical risk. Howard bought a paper airplane that was a mini raptor at half the price... Not so much huh? I'd take 50 raptors over 100 F-35a's any day.

Who are we kidding, we should save the money, buy another couple subs and get 150 griipen e or one extra sub and 100 typhoons, at least then we'd maintain interpretability and get everything except... Wait what do we get apart from compromised front aspect stealth and a rear IR signature that the boys and girls at Woodside can have fun with?

We're going to end up buying gunships for CAS, everyone except procurement knows the lightning won't be doing it. The Super bugs either stay for that or we give that role up...

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#258 2017-01-17 06:49:19

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

We could have bought 'Off the shelf' Russian planes for 1/10 of the cost, immediate delivery (Express post if you will lol)
But Nahhhhhhhhh can't do that. We have to buy a lemon for 10 times the cost because Australia is America's buttplug mad
If you can be bothered reading it, the 62 page dossier is scathing of the F-35's performance.
& with the Russian S400 & S500?   that makes them drop out of the sky.
In A test the F16 crapped all over the F35.
So why were we forced to accept this deal with the US? BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD TO!!!

F-35 has 276 deficiencies and counting, unfit for combat operations – Pentagon report

Article: https://on.rt.com/80hv

Annual Report: http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2016/

62 Page Dossier PDF: http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2 … f35jsf.pdf

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#259 2017-01-17 07:10:21

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

The s-400 and 500 are not an issue, the f-22, b-21 and b-2 are the only aircraft designed to fly combat missions over Russia. They only export s-300s and only to close friends.

Unfortunately the sukhois have problems of their own, for one thing the airframes are only rated for like 4000 hours and they have engine problems and you are locked into Russian and maybe Chinese weapons and logistics. Even the Russians can't decide which sukhois to really invest in for the airforce.

Don't get me wrong the su-35 is amazing, but the Russian planes and worse their Chinese knob offs are basically fire and forget missiles that fire missiles. They aren't for us, there's a reason they can overhaul f-15s from the 70's.

We should get involved with the Japanese gen 5+ project. We should get silent Eagles. Or, again the typhoon. We get quality aircraft, save money, maintain relationships, secure logistics and get the meteor missile, we need that one.

I always assumed we only passed on strike Eagles to avoid upsetting Indonesia.

Actually we should buy the latest Apache or whatever is going to end up replacing the longbow.

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#260 2017-01-18 00:28:20

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Jesus the first 2 pages of the report alone... Two very senior very good officers lost their jobs fighting for the raptor and against the lightning. Looks like someone or a group of people are risking the same to get the attention of friends in the hill and the new administration. You wouldn't normally get to talk like this in a public release even though it's their mandate.

By the by, does this look stealthy:

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#261 2017-01-18 01:03:18

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

On the lightning, Lockheed is losing the marketing battle, LM need to licence Apple asap and slap on technicolor apple logo and have rose gold colour scheme.


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#262 2017-01-18 07:36:27

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Apple is losing the marketing battle. Not to Android necessarily, mostly to their own high bar expectations of their customers. It's got no VR, no real improvements and the lack of compatibility means that you watch an old 6S commercial on YouTube and feel good about owning one, which means buying one second hand.

Same deal with strike Eagles, solid, tested, much better by almost metric, every aspect except stealth, but that's nearly irrelevant. We don't have a fraction of the support or comms systems to make the most of the features packed in. DAS IR detection at long range of ballistic missiles will never be sent to Australian Aegis cruisers to get an sm-3 to fire.

We will never have the Intel (from NSA data  Intel to DIA satellite and everything in between) to use the very limited internal stores usefully in a penetrating strike on high value targets.

We don't have the tankers to get them safely close to where they need to be and as much as they wanted it we will never get a fixed wing fleet air Arm back even if the birds were given as gifts or thigh GT. Don't think this didn't have a real impact on the choice with the AWD early early on.

Go up and wait, try as get involved with JAXA's program. Get cheap second hand strike Eagles or the newer upgraded Korean F-15s or, again, the typhoon. You could completely change the way we fight and geopolitical military focus and get the Gripen or Rafale... There are western choices... In fact it looks like Trump wants to push super bugs which would mean huge new upgrades and possibly partial retrofitting our current inventory to extend and imprint as allow us to keep them and have a much larger fleet...

Many many options.

I very very highly recommend you read the actual report Greg posted, even just the first 2 pages and you'll get the gist. This is a US military report on it's own aircraft, remember that when you're reading it.

Remember that the raptor got plenty of negative press at the time, though it's been so overshadowed by the lightning almost everyone has forgotten, but have a look at this:

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#263 2017-01-19 01:55:47

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Lockheed Agrees To Cut F-35 Price Below $100 Million In Latest Victory For Trump
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-1 … mp-victory

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#264 2017-01-19 02:04:16

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Greg Williams wrote:

Lockheed Agrees To Cut F-35 Price Below $100 Million In Latest Victory For Trump
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-1 … mp-victory

HUH, even the article says every batch of F35 has been cheaper.


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#265 2017-01-19 08:55:22

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

There's about as many ways to price the aircraft as you have fingers and toes, since come without engines, done are total program development cost divided by delivered airframes, since pricings are multiples of others and all are both accurate and inaccurate.


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#266 2017-02-26 21:39:52

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

China's claim it has 'quantum' radar may leave $17 billion F-35 naked

"CHINA claims it has a radical new 'quantum' radar capable of detecting stealth fighters at great distances. Does this mean our ultra-expensive new F-35 is obsolete, even before we get it?"

"The RAAF's first F-35's will be making their debut Australian appearance at the Avalon air show this week. It's not a combat-capable aircraft, yet, though the first partially operational US squadron of the type was deployed to Japan earlier this year.
But Beijing state media has boasted its scientists have successfully tested a new type of radar capable of defeating stealth technology at ranges out to 100km.
With a single stroke, such a capability would render the $US1 trillion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program obsolete. This includes Australia's $17 billion investment in some 72 examples of the controversial aircraft."

read more at: http://www.news.com.au/technology/innov … 54b6f0fbab

What a waste of tax payers money ....


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#267 2017-02-26 22:27:16

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Re: What a Price To Pay for F35 Fighter!

Cheaper to use 100 asian girls at $80 each with handkerchiefs and VX nerve agent.

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