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#1 2012-11-15 19:35:39

wrcmad
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Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

Hi all,

A mate of mine was telling me about a gold watch that was passed down to him - obtained by his grandfather in WWII by shooting and looting a German high ranking officer. I naturally took the story with a little grain of salt, but he handed it to me today asking what I'd pay him for it. He let me broow it o/night.

Internet research suggests the WWII storey is probably accurate.

This watch is a Silvana 411, marked 14K, and yes, it still ticks. Although a little grubby on the outer casing, it is definitely not plated. Info I have been able to find suggests these were Swiss watches used by the German military.

I have no idea about watches. Any idea or opinion of value would be greatly appreciated.

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#2 2012-11-15 19:41:24

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

Probably the second most lovely thing I've seen today


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#3 2012-11-15 19:47:28

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

That is a piece of art, thanks for sharing. I have no idea of the value though!

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#4 2012-11-15 19:54:36

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

From my experience ,it's even hard to sell them for gold price


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#5 2012-11-15 19:57:51

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

@Spanner - is there a standard calc to determine how much of it's weight is gold, and how much is the face cover and other bits and pieces?


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#6 2012-11-15 19:58:03

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

A guessestimate of the its' melt value would be around $2500

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#7 2012-11-15 20:00:28

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

Aurora et luna wrote:

A guessestimate of the its' melt value would be around $2500

Geeeezzzzzuzz!
Thanks AEL.


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#8 2012-11-15 20:01:09

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

wrcmad wrote:

@Spanner - is there a standard calc to determine how much of it's weight is gold, and how much is the face cover and other bits and pieces?

You have to drop the movement out first before you weigh it, not something I would do


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#9 2012-11-15 20:08:24

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

talk to projack he likes them a lot as far as i know

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#10 2012-11-15 20:11:48

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

wrcmad wrote:
Aurora et luna wrote:

A guessestimate of the its' melt value would be around $2500

Geeeezzzzzuzz!
Thanks AEL.

I saved this beautiful German pocket watch from the melting pot last year.
Paid spot and resold it here on this forum for spot.
Had to make a guessestimate on the weight of the movement and we settled on around 12grams.

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#11 2012-11-15 20:12:07

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

Sadly I have to agree with the Ape wink
The intrinsic gold value outweighs the value of it as an Antique I'm afraid!


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#12 2012-11-15 20:13:05

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

spannermonkey wrote:
wrcmad wrote:

@Spanner - is there a standard calc to determine how much of it's weight is gold, and how much is the face cover and other bits and pieces?

You have to drop the movement out first before you weigh it, not something I would do

The movement looks like it is mostly gold too?
I tried to take a better pic:

4088_watch4.jpg


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#13 2012-11-15 20:15:41

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

wrcmad wrote:
spannermonkey wrote:
wrcmad wrote:

@Spanner - is there a standard calc to determine how much of it's weight is gold, and how much is the face cover and other bits and pieces?

You have to drop the movement out first before you weigh it, not something I would do

The movement looks like it is mostly gold too?
I tried to take a better pic:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/upload … watch4.jpg

The movement is never made of gold ,to soft


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#14 2012-11-15 20:17:21

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

spannermonkey wrote:

The movement is never made of gold ,to soft

Ahhh, that makes sense. Fair enough.


Anything is possible, but not everything is probable.  wink

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#15 2012-11-15 20:21:17

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

can you get a close up picture of ALL hallmarks and of the movement?


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#16 2012-11-15 20:22:48

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

The movement wont be gold, gilt brass. Also the movement holder (the ring around the movement) is normally brass as well.

From the pocket watches I have scrapped the movement, dial and crown are usually at least half the total weight depending on the type of movement.

Any hallmarks on the case?

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#17 2012-11-15 20:27:08

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

You could also try asking on Watchuseek.  I am sure someone there will be able to give you a fair idea of value.
Someone will also probably tell you the approx year metal content and what the movement is. 

Nice piece by the way.

http://forums.watchuseek.com/forum.php

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#18 2012-11-15 20:45:02

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

I have taken pics of all markings I could find:

1. Inside front cover
2. Inside back cover
3. On movement
4. On movement

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Anything is possible, but not everything is probable.  wink

Manipulation..... If you want to continually subscribe to this idea then get out of precious metals. Only a fool would play a game that is completely rigged. As you still are in the game, I would say that you are not completely convinced of the manipulation ...

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#19 2012-11-15 20:57:53

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

hallmarks added smile


Anything is possible, but not everything is probable.  wink

Manipulation..... If you want to continually subscribe to this idea then get out of precious metals. Only a fool would play a game that is completely rigged. As you still are in the game, I would say that you are not completely convinced of the manipulation ...

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#20 2012-11-15 21:43:02

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

the average estimate for gold weight would be around 40% of total weight. those brass insides are quite heavy.
nothing really special about Silvana. a company from the late 1800s, it would be more sentimental value than anything else.
I like to check out Christies for values, however doesnt always mean the value that you will get. You need a buyer. unfortunately, most buyers are only pricing at gold value, so realistically, that is the true value. I have a watch with a supposed value of $7000, however if i wanted to sell, i would only get $2000.....
very important is its keeping time, not that its just ticking, cause its almost imposable to buy parts, not keeping time, practically worthless unless you can find an old repairer from 50 or so years ago and knows what he is doing

here is a similar one at a christies auction, 20 years ago, looks gold value to me....

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/watc … f034e00f00


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#21 2012-11-15 22:21:24

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

I know this is completely out of context but any idea of the details/identity of the original owner? Looks like a very loving gift from some one.Personally it's got way too much intrinsic value to break down and melt. Why destroy such a beautiful handmade piece for a few bucks.
Only my humble opinion...

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#22 2012-11-16 00:00:21

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

Rad Dood wrote:

I know this is completely out of context but any idea of the details/identity of the original owner?

No details other than that stated in OP.


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#23 2012-11-16 00:14:08

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

Absolutely beautiful and a stark reminder how far we've fallen on our standards with quality as a society.

Gerald Celente talks about this regularly where he says the way out of this garbage driven society is to going back to demanding quality over cheapness.

I'm totally with him there.

Less stuff, but give me the best quality my money will buy and I'm a much happier person.

That pocket watch is absolutely beautiful...

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#24 2012-11-16 00:51:01

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

^^^
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#25 2012-11-16 01:49:08

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Re: Old gold pocketwatch (WWII) - any idea of value?

Few basic things to know about old pocket watches:
Do not wind it up for regular use unless cleaned and serviced, only do it for demonstration. It is like using a very old car without oil change after decades.
Cleaning and servicing is expensive because they have to take the watch into single pieces and few people still doing the trade. You need a proper watchmaker not a jeweller from a shopping centre.
Only still working expensive well known brands or really special watches are worth to buy as investment if the price is right because selling is not easy. (Nice gold watch around spot is always a winner regardless.)
Working repeaters are usually the good buys if the price is acceptable.
If you have a question about a specific item the place to go to ask is http://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/ The knowledge on the site is mind-blowing.


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