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#1 2011-07-17 02:47:18

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Phoney Pandas 山寨

This sticky is devoted to the world of fake/counterfeit Pandas.

If you come across any phoney pandas, please list a picture of it here along side with a real one.

Thanks.

Some cultural education:
山寨 - pronounced "shaan zai"  (shānzhài)  [pinyin - shan1 zhai4];
Refers to Chinese imitation and pirated brands and goods, particularly electronics. Literally "mountain village" or "mountain stronghold", the term refers to the mountain stockades of regional warlords or bandits, far away from official control. "Shanzhai" can also be stretched to refer to people who are lookalikes, low-quality or improved goods, as well as things done in parody.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanzhai

Next time you come across someone selling a fake panda with some friends, you can utter the words "Shaan zai" between yourselves.

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#2 2011-07-17 02:48:05

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Fake 2007 1oz Silver Panda
675_fake2007panda.jpg - Fake
675_2008agpanda.jpg - Real

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#3 2011-07-17 03:06:51

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Recently saw this on ebay

1765_fake_5oz_1.jpg
1765_fake_5oz_2.jpg

Real image

1765_5oz_real.jpg

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#4 2011-07-17 03:14:31

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Single coin from a 2007 commemorative set:
http://www.pandausa.com/image/comm/25th/gold/25th.html

61_1982_panda.jpg

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#5 2011-07-17 03:19:37

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨


That's a shocking one!


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#6 2011-07-17 03:27:08

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

somerset wrote:

That's a shocking one!

The set had me fooled!
Keep in mind these are smaller than a 5c piece.
Maybe I just need to wear my glasses more often wink

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#7 2011-07-17 03:31:02

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Fair enough - that's super tiny


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#8 2011-07-17 03:33:32

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

ehhee... a real 1/4oz 1982 Panda should look like this smile
675_img_0865.jpeg - Real
675_img_0867.jpeg - Real
61_1982_panda.jpg - Fake

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#9 2011-07-17 06:50:37

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

More junk - love the steps on the temple, more like a slippery slide!

1765_fake_110.jpg - Fake
675_img_0742.jpeg - Real
675_img_0743.jpeg - Real


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#10 2011-07-17 07:10:41

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

yennus wrote:

ehhee... a real 1/4oz 1982 Panda should look like this smile

ahh Good pickup. My mistake, it's a 2007 commemorative set not an original 1982 panda. The one on the left is definitely legit though and 1/25 not 1/4:
http://www.pandausa.com/image/comm/25th/gold/25th2.html

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#11 2011-07-17 07:51:21

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Regarding post #3 the 5 oz 2010 panda.  I saw this on ebay too.  The listing said it just comes in a plastic case. Don't the 5 ouncers usually come in a box with a certificate? Looking at the coin itself I can't see the difference between the real one. Can someone point out how to spot this coin as a fake, what is different from the original??

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#12 2011-07-17 07:52:51

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

silver kook wrote:

Regarding post #3 the 5 oz 2010 panda.  I saw this on ebay too.  The listing said it just comes in a plastic case. Don't the 5 ouncers usually come in a box with a certificate? Looking at the coin itself I can't see the difference between the real one. Can someone point out how to spot this coin as a fake, what is different from the original??

I'll give you two:

Fur on the neck of left panda missing
Main panda on right snout not right shape, nose not defined as in the original

Kinda like those spot the difference pics - so many...

Trouble is, they can send you something totally different to the picture too sad

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#13 2011-07-18 08:31:31

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

silver kook wrote:

Regarding post #3 the 5 oz 2010 panda.  I saw this on ebay too.  The listing said it just comes in a plastic case. Don't the 5 ouncers usually come in a box with a certificate? Looking at the coin itself I can't see the difference between the real one. Can someone point out how to spot this coin as a fake, what is different from the original??

Among many defects, the noses on the Pandas are supposed to be mirrored, not frosted.

Best wishes,
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#14 2011-07-18 08:45:43

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Always an honor to have the Panda Expert grace us with his presence. Many thanks Panda Collector for your input.

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#15 2011-07-18 09:05:52

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

yennus wrote:

Always an honor to have the Panda Expert grace us with his presence. Many thanks Panda Collector for your input.

It is my pleasure to be here. This new Silver Stackers Panda Forum is fabulous.

Here is a larger photo of a genuine 2010 5 oz. silver Panda reverse. Note the mirrored surfaces on the noses and on the neck of the rear bear. The fur pattern isn't a match, either, although you might need to do a side-by-side comparison to know that.

2010_ag-50y-1.jpg
pandacollector.com:

Best wishes,
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#16 2011-07-18 20:58:44

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Thanks heaps PandaCollector. I can't wait to receive the signed version of your Panda book from Maggie.

Many thanks!

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#17 2011-07-18 21:29:20

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Bad Panda Alert: 190555921501 to good to be true for $23 a pop & these are poor fakes.


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#18 2011-07-18 23:24:13

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Dynoman wrote:

Bad Panda Alert: 190555921501 to good to be true for $23 a pop & these are poor fakes.

That one is uggleeeee!

Best wishes,
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#19 2011-07-23 17:43:41

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

The 5 oz fake Panda in post#3 has been relisted on Ebay, the exact same coin! Buyer must have sent it back, probably saw this thread!

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#20 2011-07-23 23:09:26

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Someone should notify the china-mint forums. These people do a wonderful service hunting down these Phoney pandas and de-listing them.

http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=644.0

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#21 2011-07-25 01:51:24

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Fake panda
753_117674780_e1d3a2ad94.jpg
Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/chi-liu/117674780/

Real panda
753_panda-bear-d.jpg
Source: http://www.freewebs.com/endangeredanimals-pandas/

Fairly obvious if you ask me.


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#22 2011-07-25 02:07:08

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨


Only one of these is a bear, but they are both named Pandas. It took modern genetics to confirm that Giant Pandas are indeed bears because they are not closely related to any other living species of bear. Many people felt that Giant Pandas could be members of the raccoon family but DNA testing disproved that idea. Red Pandas are the only members of their own family Ailurus and aren't closely related to Giant Pandas or any other animals.

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#23 2011-08-19 05:00:34

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Genuine
SM_China_Panda_5_Uz_2011_front_700.jpg


Fake
T2gYNPXixXXXXXXXXX_!!737903600.jpg

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#24 2011-08-19 05:06:34

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨


Hear Say See -> N o t h i n g
May this stacking hobby be my blessing smile

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#25 2011-10-07 11:14:46

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Re: Phoney Pandas 山寨

Year 2000 Panda for aud$21.58? rrriiiiiiight. listing on ebay, by seller with 100% (414). They have a few others like it also listed.

Item number:    160661633304

368837195_153.jpg
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368837194_642.jpg
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The images they're using are straight from AliBaba. I didn't realise that until I posted the img url just then. Had a little chuckle to myself..

When I asked if it was a fake, as the detail seems very poor and the price seems way too cheap I very promptly got this reply:

Hello dear friends:
Bank project is the manufacture, is 100% true
Thank you


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