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#26 2016-05-19 13:46:40

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

AEL, are those AUD or USD prices?

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#27 2016-05-19 17:26:04

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

dccpa wrote:

AEL, are those AUD or USD prices?

AUD prices.

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#28 2016-05-19 20:38:36

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Aurora et luna wrote:

Some recent sales on eBay.
10oz Dragons @ $388
1/2oz Dragons @ $25
1oz Snake with privy @ $45
1oz Horse roll @ $838
1oz Horse with privy roll @ $828
Take 14% off for eBay and PayPal  and that should be a fair price here.
Also sold a 1oz roll of Dragons for $1100 to a private customer with registered International shipping thrown in. After shipping and PayPal fees I have still netted over $1000
Some sellers here are shortchanging themselves selling their lunars too cheap.
The trouble is there is a lot of selfish sellers here who delete pricing on their listings as soon as their coins are sold.
They are happy to take information from other sellers but won't share!

10oz Dragons @ $388                      $329.80 (converted price-15% off)
1/2oz Dragons @ $25                      $21.25 (converted price-15% off)
1oz Snake with privy @ $45      $38.25 (converted price-15% off)
1oz Horse roll @ $838                      $712.30 (converted price-15% off)
1oz Horse with privy roll @ $828      $703.80 (converted price-15% off)

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#29 2016-05-19 20:49:00

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

@$723USD ??


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#30 2016-05-19 22:37:41

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Golden ChipMunk wrote:

@$723USD ??

For what?

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#31 2016-05-20 07:55:07

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

1 oz Ag 2000 S1 Perth Mint Lunar Dragon: asking $80 on this forum...

More for the same size and series Ox.

If there's a "for sale" listing without recent photographs, detailed descriptions and pricing - well...

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#32 2016-05-20 09:59:16

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Flyinfree wrote:
Golden ChipMunk wrote:

@$723USD ??

For what?

@ $0.723usd at the time.


Original Perth CAPSULES - All Sizes Available
Full/ Half SOVEREIGN caps, contact Chip wink

Please leave pm , I will reply back  wink Chip

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#33 2016-09-11 01:08:36

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Any new price check on rolls?

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#34 2016-09-11 05:23:40

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Billythecoinstacker wrote:

Any new price check on rolls?

s1 or s2? which year?

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#35 2016-09-11 05:36:35

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

All s2 rolls.

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#36 2016-09-15 08:57:04

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Pikachu wrote:

All 1oz have a circulation of 300,000. So why Tiger and Ox are the most expensive?



The S1 and S2 overlap in production as well as market crash 2008 lulled purchases of both series.
Simply look @ mint totals of both series, and denominations.
The 2oz S1 are exponentially priced during this easily measured lack of demand time period.
The dragon was sold like a cheap whore and there are millions (S) of them real and fake.
Fill set with one or two from 1/2 oz to kilo and call it good enough.

Buying and selling previous years...
Often purchasing previous mint of coming years mintage is least expensive.
Then can be sold in 3-400 days at profit, to set fillers as ex. S2 Rooster is here.
Beware that interest in "old" coins is not a passion amongst millenials, series 1 is "old" now.
Never forget societies attention span is short, absent of foresight(the only separation of humans from all species), and hindsight non-existant.
Here, we are amongst ourselves, so utilize our species advantages.

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#37 2016-09-15 10:15:14

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Flyinfree wrote:
Pikachu wrote:

All 1oz have a circulation of 300,000. So why Tiger and Ox are the most expensive?

Therefore, OX and Tiger becomes the Key (most of them were held by strong hands)!

Isn't this becuase most were sold overseas, also could have been purchased by funds or very rich and languishing in a vault.

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#38 2016-09-15 21:35:41

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Ipv6Ready wrote:
Flyinfree wrote:
Pikachu wrote:

All 1oz have a circulation of 300,000. So why Tiger and Ox are the most expensive?

Therefore, OX and Tiger becomes the Key (most of them were held by strong hands)!

Isn't this becuase most were sold overseas, also could have been purchased by funds or very rich and languishing in a vault.


LOOK. A tiny amount sold. No 300,000 limit needed as 240,000 remained.
No rich pirate, poor masses and market crashes.


Mintage
Declared
Mintage
2009 The Australian Lunar Silver Coin Series $1 1oz Bullion Lunar Silver Ox Coin 2009 Year of the Ox mint to order 52,267
       
2010 The Australian Lunar Silver Coin Series $30 1kg Bullion Lunar Silver Tiger Coin 2010 Year of the Tiger mint to order 1,888
         
2010 The Australian Lunar Silver Coin Series $2 2oz Bullion Lunar Silver Tiger Coin 2010 Year of the Tiger mint to order 6,520
         
2010 The Australian Lunar Silver Coin Series $1 1oz Bullion Lunar Silver Tiger Coin 2010 Year of the Tiger mint to order 56,077


Go look at all of 'em and the trends set by; limits, spot price, market condition, popularity(dragon & horse), novelty S2, and commonality S1 in tandem, as well as compare to amounts of 1/2 and
2 oz sales. Tell someone there is a limit and they buy more of more... worth less. Rather than more of less, worth more. HHHmmmmm brilliant people can be; sometimes.

Considering such glance at the 2015 Kook sales as they did NOT sell out. First time in many years and by a wide margin.
I attribute this to competition of decorative rounds, and coins from many countries, as well as premium from hell at Perth.
Even though premium is covered in resale at retail or private, not sale back to retail however.

LOOK:  http://www.perthmint.com.au/investment- … tages.aspx

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#39 2016-09-17 04:18:04

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

I think you will find the 2015 kooks are sold out at PM, the webpage you listed
has an error in regards to the coins series year and the description year being different

All previous s2 1oz silver lunars have sold out at the max mintage of 300,000

Yes, the overlap caused the last three series 1 coins and the S2 mouse's sales
to be lower until the mouses subsequent remint.

It was not until the tiger that on-line sellers here ie bullionbourse started selling
PM coins at substantially cheaper premiums than what was previously available
through the PM and coin shops, so some tigers and all following years were bought
up by in bulk by stackers, so a larger percentage of the issues are/were held by stackers
many of whom were keen to flip for a profit or still hold as the case may be


But from my understanding the s2 oxen in particular went OS and seem held by
stronger hands than the rest of the series that were bought up mainly by stackers
here who generally flip for profit, it is hard to find a roll of oxen for sale now.

If the mouse had not been reminted it would now be the key coin, but as we all
well know they did remint.

The tiger is a nice looking coin and a good lunar year

So even though all coins have equal mintages the Oxen is harder to source
followed by the tiger, thats is how it stands at present, in future maybe another
year might be hot, I like the horse in particular, these seem to off the boil at present

The series one are a different matter, more went OS and a greater percentage were
bought by collectors rather than stackers, also mintages were generally under 100k each
and mint premiums were higher than current mint premiums especially in silver content
percentage terms.

I think you are confusing S1 and S2 issues a bit in general in your post.

cheers grant

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#40 2016-09-17 21:48:58

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

From Perth Mint listed mintage:
DISCLAIMER:
"The information, details, statistics and figures contained here which relates to mintages and sales figures for all Australian Legal tender Coins, produced, marketed and initially distributed by the Perth Mint since 1986, have been prepared, collated and published here as accurate and correct to the best of the Perth Mint's knowledge and belief."
edit: Updated since, I do not know. Yes 2015 sold out. 2016 about a mile to go. Perth & CDN mints are sketchy time updating, like US is with totals.

What was stated in my post looked at both S1 & S2 series mint totals.
The psychology of purchasers and comprehension thereof is the easiest to judge interest, by looking at the unlimited 1/2 oz & 2 oz of same years.




"So even though all coins have equal mintages the Oxen is harder to source
followed by the tiger, thats is how it stands at present, in future maybe another
year might be hot, I like the horse in particular, these seem to off the boil at present"

But all coins do not. Some, certainly so.
Not confusing as all, is supply and demand.
Exception being, imposed control of supply.

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#41 2016-09-17 23:09:48

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

So we can agree....the 2015 kooks ARE sold out at the mint

My understanding is the 2016 kooks ARE also sold out at the mint.
The figures have not been updated since March, so they have sold the
remaining 250k in the last 6 months or so.


I am having difficulty understanding your point regarding the S2 1oz silver OX

Are you saying that the mintage was only 60k when the full 300k were sold?


In general the 1oz silver coin is the highest mintage of most series worldwide
where there are multiple denominations and sizes the 1oz usually wins hands down

Yes the silver lunar series is 1oz is limited to 300k each and other sizes are not,
there is controlled supply of the 1oz non-privy variety, which is the coin that
is the most popular....this is all a given

The question related to the S2  one ounce lunars, as to why the oxen is the dearest
and hardest to find, or as some call the key coin, when all s2 1oz have the same mintage


As I tried to say, my theory is because up until the tiger, It was harder and more expensive
to buy PM lunar products, either direct from the PM or through dealers or coins shops here
in Australia.  It was only with the start of bulk on-line sales that the mint premiums were
reduced, hence more were stacked in bulk and then flipped, and thus released to secondary
markets moreso in Australia

That is probably why all S1 have such low mintages, the premium charged by the PM where
quite a lot bigger than what you pay now through most on-line dealers.

The lunar series seemed to be most fashionable in europe and quite hot there, really more
than anywhere else at the time of the Ox's release, so most of these I understand found their
ways to Europe, especially Germany. Where these are now, I dont know, but these do seem
harder to find and generally have a bigger premium on the secondary market.  So seem to
be held by strong hands, does one party have a huge number of Oxen,  or are they spread out
more evenly. I dont know the answer, but there could be someone with a whole lot of these and
holding them tight, making them harder to source on the secondary market, or maybe they
sold lots of single coins to collectors who in general dont flip as much...as I said, I dont know

The S2 mouse would have had a bigger premium, except for the remint that allowed many
stackers here to buy boxes of them at premiums of around $5 per coin, when the secondary
market premiums where many times that.  It killed the secondary market premiums and they
will never get back to where they would have been.

All markets are about supply and demand, its a simple given


At present there is more demand for Oxen than there is supply, is it demand or supply driven,
I would say probably supply driven, the reason the tiger is the second dearest is probably
demand driven, it is a cool looking coin and good lunar year


cheers grant

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#42 2016-09-18 19:37:52

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Flyinfree wrote:
black5wan wrote:

I noticed lunar roll prices in recent past on Silver stackers. comments welcome
Series 2
2008 Mouse  : 800-850
2009 Ox : 1000-1100
2010 Tiger: 1000-1100
2011:Rabbit: 850-900
2012 Dragon: 720-750
2013 Snake: 660-700
2014 Horse: 650-720
2015 Goat: 660-700
2016 Monkey: 640

P.S. --> These prices were around the time when silver was  less than 20AUD/oz

Series 2
2008 Mouse  : 800-850 - Correct
2009 Ox : 1000-1100 - Haven't see any listed for sell for a long time
2010 Tiger: 1000-1100 - Correct
2011:Rabbit: 850-900 - Correct (might be slightly lower)
2012 Dragon: 720-750 - Correct
2013 Snake: 660-700 - Correct
2014 Horse: 650-720 - Correct
2015 Goat: 660-700 - Correct
2016 Monkey: 640 - Correct

Are these prices still correct? or slightly higher now spot has moved up slightly since April

im thinking 15% higher? does that sound right?

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#43 2016-09-18 21:14:22

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Spot moved up by 5$ per oz, or 100$ a roll.

aussiewebking wrote:
Flyinfree wrote:
black5wan wrote:

I noticed lunar roll prices in recent past on Silver stackers. comments welcome
Series 2
2008 Mouse  : 800-850
2009 Ox : 1000-1100
2010 Tiger: 1000-1100
2011:Rabbit: 850-900
2012 Dragon: 720-750
2013 Snake: 660-700
2014 Horse: 650-720
2015 Goat: 660-700
2016 Monkey: 640

P.S. --> These prices were around the time when silver was  less than 20AUD/oz

Series 2
2008 Mouse  : 800-850 - Correct
2009 Ox : 1000-1100 - Haven't see any listed for sell for a long time
2010 Tiger: 1000-1100 - Correct
2011:Rabbit: 850-900 - Correct (might be slightly lower)
2012 Dragon: 720-750 - Correct
2013 Snake: 660-700 - Correct
2014 Horse: 650-720 - Correct
2015 Goat: 660-700 - Correct
2016 Monkey: 640 - Correct

Are these prices still correct? or slightly higher now spot has moved up slightly since April

im thinking 15% higher? does that sound right?

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#44 2016-11-01 19:37:18

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

Dear all, may I know the current fair price of a 1oz Tiger bullion for Series ONE ?

Thx in advance.

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#45 2016-11-02 06:06:32

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Re: Series 1 & 2 1oz Lunar Current Price Approximation

TasmaniaChrismy wrote:

Dear all, may I know the current fair price of a 1oz Tiger bullion for Series ONE ?

Thx in advance.

could be anywhere between $70-100

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