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#26 2013-10-28 02:05:18

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

grinners wrote:
willrocks wrote:
grinners wrote:

I am a big fan of Jeff Christian.

You and Court Jester

He gives a fair appraisal of metals IMO and has been undoubtedly more accurate about metals over the last 4 years than anyone else I have known about.

A lot of people on here would do very well to have a read of his book:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HbhxQknWL.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ … ition=used

long ago I bought the book and read it, but it was not due to this book that I was searching for the metals neutral


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#27 2013-10-28 02:10:11

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think


"The Two Most Common Elements in the Universe Are Hydrogen and Stupidity" Frank Zappa

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#28 2013-10-28 03:12:17

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Ronnie 666 wrote:

None of this proves what he is saying is wrong or inaccurate. Let us attack his message if you can which is the banks and central banks with our government agents are manipulating prices of all commodities in particular silver prices.

Where is his evidence for this? If he is providing information that can't be verified and speaks with authority on what the central banks are doing then his background is relevant.

http://www.bullionbaron.com/2013/05/and … xpert.html

Above just one example of information which he's provided in an interview which doesn't align with official statistcs.

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#29 2013-10-28 03:21:31

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Bron, whats your personal thoughts on him?. I have listen to him for some time and he appears quiet informed and genuine, but alas I may be wrong.


You just haven't earned it yet baby.

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#30 2013-10-28 04:58:18

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

As I say in my recent goldchat blog post, I'm waiting for Andrew's response before writing anything.

However, it is important IMO whether he lied (or lied by omission by not correcting GATA in their CFTC testimony, for example) about his CV because his main claim to fame is his statement that he overheard some traders in a pub talking about manipulation. As that statement is based entirely on his word, anything which calls his integrity into question matters. Throw in the fact that soon after that he had a trading service to sell and benefited from his newfound fame, then I think it is fair to hold him to a high standard.

My previous views on him can be found here http://goldchat.blogspot.com.au/2012/11 … anics.html


Disclosure: I work for the Perth Mint. What I say is done in a personal capacity and is not endorsed by the Mint.

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#31 2013-10-28 05:37:16

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Indeed, thank you for the response. We shall see.


You just haven't earned it yet baby.

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#32 2013-10-28 05:44:32

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

O and congratulations Bron on 1000 posts, apparently the Pelican gives a 1oz bar for that achievement


You just haven't earned it yet baby.

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#33 2013-10-28 05:58:48

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Didn't even notice )p


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#34 2013-10-28 07:16:25

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

QLDSILVER wrote:

apparently the Pelican gives a 1oz bar for that achievement

Don't think so smile

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#35 2013-10-29 16:32:07

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think


"The Two Most Common Elements in the Universe Are Hydrogen and Stupidity" Frank Zappa

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#36 2013-10-29 19:56:28

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

I note that nothing in Maguire's response disputes or contradicts what Jeff said http://forums.silverstackers.com/messag … ml#p595719


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#37 2013-10-29 21:29:09

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

These are interesting comments here.

Look, it's all about being honest and credible. If a person says he has decades of experience as a bank bullion trader, and he doesn't, if everything else he has said about himself proves to be a misrepresentation, you have to question the veracity of everything he says. And if someone comes across as a weird attention seeker, claiming in public that he had some elevated position that he did not, you have to worry about him.

Here's the punch line, however: Maguire and his handlers say they are trying to 'put this to bed' by giving his history, admitting that he was only a low level junior employee at J. Aron briefly in Canada, at a time when J. Aron did not have a Canadian office. Not even a good attempt to lie. He could have checked his facts. At Associated Capital in Nova Scotia his first executive level position was... as a debt collector. That's hardly a sterling explanation of his trading history, er, now its his banking experience.

Believe it or not, I am just interested in the truth. I am tired of liars polluting the precious metals markets.

GATA came after me after I gave a speech in 2008 saying the conspiracy theories were distractions that cost investors money, but leading them to make bad decisions.... like staying long silver in May 2011 at $49.

Then they continue to purposefully misrepresent my explanation that there is around 100 times more paper metals traded than annual new supply, saying I said that represented individual banks' leverage. Perhaps Maguire, who repeated this lie again today, really is so ignorant of the gold market as to not understand that. And, that number overlooks the fact that each physical ounce of gold refined from mine output or scrap turns over, changes hands, around nine times between mine and ultimate user or investor. So, if the gold multiplier is nine, then the ratio of paper gold trades to physical trades falls to 11:1, instead of 100:1. But such 'advanced math' is beyond their capacity, or desire, to understand the markets they have appointed themselves as safeguards and experts in.

The key is what I said at the start: Maguire's defense of his experience in metals trading is to claim that he worked briefly for J. Aron in Canada at a time when Aron did not have a Canadian office. He is not even a good liar.

As for me being a government hack, give me a break. Whoever wrote that and thinks that knows absolutely nothing about me. At the start of my Silver Summit speech I asked how many people in the audience had ever sued Goldman Sachs. No one but me. I asked how many people in the audience had testified on four continents and written extensively about the need to regulate OTC derivatives. Again, no one but me. I did not ask them how many have been denied re-entry into their home country as a form of harrassment, had their computers hacked into and files deleted, and their phone tapped. I have. That sure sounds like a government hack to me. You can apologize if you have any sense of honesty and decency.

Enjoy. I've got work in the real world to do now.

Jeff

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#38 2013-10-29 22:16:52

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

I don't believe anyone anymore and over time I have learned to think for myself. However, I think its pretty low that Jeff (metalstruthseeker) logs onto and registers with our  bullion site simply to have a single slug at another person; first and and only post ???  Its sad to see this. sad


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#39 2013-10-29 22:38:28

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

I was about to post that Jeff comes across as a real dickhead for going so out of his way to discredit somebody, but Jeff beat me to it.

lol

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#40 2013-10-29 23:33:45

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

bron suchecki wrote:

I note that nothing in Maguire's response disputes or contradicts what Jeff said http://forums.silverstackers.com/messag … ml#p595719

What in particular has Andie left unanswered which is so terrible to his reputation?

I personally found his response quite adequate...


mmm....shiney! wrote: House prices are the leading indicator of what???????????

Yippe-Ki-Ya wrote: gubmint meddling  lol

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#41 2013-10-29 23:34:22

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

trew wrote:

I was about to post that Jeff comes across as a real dickhead for going so out of his way to discredit somebody, but Jeff beat me to it.

lol

yeh but you're still way bigger than Jeff!   lol


mmm....shiney! wrote: House prices are the leading indicator of what???????????

Yippe-Ki-Ya wrote: gubmint meddling  lol

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#42 2013-10-30 01:41:00

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Yippe-Ki-Ya wrote:
trew wrote:

I was about to post that Jeff comes across as a real dickhead for going so out of his way to discredit somebody, but Jeff beat me to it.

lol

yeh but you're still way bigger than Jeff!   lol


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#43 2013-10-30 04:36:19

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Keep telling it how you see it Jeff.

Ignore those with their hands over their ears trying to drown out any sense of reality which doesn't fit their dreams.

Those with open minds appreciate your time and efforts.

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#44 2013-10-30 06:59:17

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Part of Andrew's statment was: I have never said I worked for Goldman Sachs. The commodity trading firm J. Aron, for which I briefly worked, was taken over by Goldman Sachs and I suspect that this is how people have wrongly concluded that I worked at Goldman Sachs. With regard to my tenure at J. Aron, this was a very short-term junior position 41 years ago, coinciding with my first emigration to Canada, and I do not attribute any of my trading experience or skill set to the firm.

My full-time institutional banking career started in Canada in 1972 at Associates Capital International, a division of Gulf and Western, prior to its acquisition by Citigroup, where I fulfilled numerous senior management roles in both Canada and later in the UK, specializing in derivatives trading. I left ACI in 1982 to become an independent trader specializing in the precious metals markets while pursuing several other business opportunities.::

This imo could read as J. Aron was in Canada as Jeff states.

However then Andrew goes on to say that 41 years ago in 1972 his banking career started in Canada.

So only one question really, Where did Andrew work with J. Aron?

Its possible Andrew did not word it perfectly and should be given an opportunity to clear up that one question before being labeled a liar.

Welcome to the forum Jeff we look forward to your insight to the paper gold dumping.

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#45 2013-10-30 10:26:05

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

Perhaps Mr. Christian could give us an in depth analysis of the (9?) CME silver margin increases (ending in 2 increases in a single announcement as the price was tanking in May 2011 to "finish the job") in the several months before (and after) the May 1, 2011 attack on the price (based on nothing but the distraction of the bin Laden raid).

I've got the popcorn warmed and ready Jeff... nothing like popcorn and a good fairy tail on a cold evening!

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#46 2013-10-30 10:33:01

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#47 2013-10-30 10:48:00

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

bron suchecki wrote:

As I say in my recent goldchat blog post, I'm waiting for Andrew's response before writing anything.

However, it is important IMO whether he lied (or lied by omission by not correcting GATA in their CFTC testimony, for example) about his CV because his main claim to fame is his statement that he overheard some traders in a pub talking about manipulation. As that statement is based entirely on his word, anything which calls his integrity into question matters. Throw in the fact that soon after that he had a trading service to sell and benefited from his newfound fame, then I think it is fair to hold him to a high standard.

My previous views on him can be found here http://goldchat.blogspot.com.au/2012/11 … anics.html

Bron,

You might find the article interesting that I linked in my post just above this one. For me, it is just another nail in the coffin for AM.

I never understood why they kept pointing to the 100-1 as proof of anything. Most people are aware that the almost all commodity contracts are closed by cash settlement. But then, why interfere with a good conspiracy theory?

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#48 2013-10-30 17:14:15

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

I suppose Andie's accurate predictions of price takedowns is somehow explained away by all this? 

lol

bunch of chumps ...


mmm....shiney! wrote: House prices are the leading indicator of what???????????

Yippe-Ki-Ya wrote: gubmint meddling  lol

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#49 2013-10-30 17:33:39

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

I find it really funny that we are supposed to take Jeff seriously. After all he is a really busy guy who has real things to do, like log onto a website that he has never contributed to before, to make derogatory statements about a fellow in the bullion trade. Then he rushes back to the real world of real work. Who is this guy kidding. If Andrew has lied and been dishonest its for the likes of honest knight Jeff our bullion dealer to save the world from shonky other bullion dealers like Andrew. The source is the ex-wife !! Sound like a cast iron case. All those who have been swindled out of their hard earned cash by Andrew step up to the plate - we are all waiting ? (Looks pretty quiet)

"In life, it is usually those who have least to offer who make their name by targeting others rather than making any original contribution of their own". (my personal quote). big_smile


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#50 2013-10-30 18:52:45

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Re: Andrew Maguire expose not what you think

You all missed a good stoush at the Gold Sympsosium on this very subject. Nothing like a "question from the audience" turning out to be a former bullion banker getting into a 20 minute public argument with a pro-gold conspiracy presenter.


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