+1 to dccpa's suggestion that the Perth Mint could be doing more to protect consumers without the need for price fixing.
1for1 wrote:I am more pissed the PM reminted them with a lion privy for sale @ $35 each which was surely why the non-privy has had a massive nose dive.
+1 this was definitely the final kick in the guts. IMO shows a distinct lack of respect for all Lunar collectors/investors, regardless of their locale.
Especially when the Mint's head of production was at pains to ensure customers that the 300k limit would continue to be adhered to and that nothing would be done to undermine the integrity of the series......then came all manner of 1oz coloured bullion.........and to top it off 200k with a lion privy <---- the ultimate up yours ![]()
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Bullion Baron wrote:+1 to dccpa's suggestion that the Perth Mint could be doing more to protect consumers without the need for price fixing.
1for1 wrote:I am more pissed the PM reminted them with a lion privy for sale @ $35 each which was surely why the non-privy has had a massive nose dive.
+1 this was definitely the final kick in the guts. IMO shows a distinct lack of respect for all Lunar collectors/investors, regardless of their locale.
Especially when the Mint's head of production was at pains to ensure customers that the 300k limit would continue to be adhered to and that nothing would be done to undermine the integrity of the series......then came all manner of 1oz coloured bullion.........and to top it off 200k with a lion privy <---- the ultimate up yours
I agree with the general sentiment. However, in their defense, the Perth mint does not make a huge profit each year. So if they can do something, in order to help prop up their overall operation, I'm all for it. As I'm sure you are too. Its just trying to find the right balance, which as in all things, is never found until you've swung to the extremes.
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http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/bus … 5778603243
38mill is not huge?
(old number, probably higher now)
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http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/bus … 5778603243
38mill is not huge?
(old number, probably higher now)
I think that's modest. Nothing to jump up & down about.
eg. how much do you think it would cost to build a 3rd vault?
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http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/bus … 5778603243
38mill is not huge?
(old number, probably higher now)
Profit is just 1.53% of the company's yearly turnover... very little indeed.
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Matthew 26:14 wrote:Bullion Baron wrote:+1 to dccpa's suggestion that the Perth Mint could be doing more to protect consumers without the need for price fixing.
+1 this was definitely the final kick in the guts. IMO shows a distinct lack of respect for all Lunar collectors/investors, regardless of their locale.
Especially when the Mint's head of production was at pains to ensure customers that the 300k limit would continue to be adhered to and that nothing would be done to undermine the integrity of the series......then came all manner of 1oz coloured bullion.........and to top it off 200k with a lion privy <---- the ultimate up yours
I agree with the general sentiment. However, in their defense, the Perth mint does not make a huge profit each year. So if they can do something, in order to help prop up their overall operation, I'm all for it. As I'm sure you are too. Its just trying to find the right balance, which as in all things, is never found until you've swung to the extremes.
why set a limit on a BU coins, what was their intended rationale to begin with?
they set the koala to minted on demand.
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why set a limit on a BU coins, what was their intended rationale to begin with?
they set the koala to minted on demand.
At the time they set the limits for Series 2 there was a lot less demand for the Lunar series coins. None of the Series 1 300k limits came anywhere near being breached so they probably didn't have the foresight to increase the limits.
Rather than innovate and come up with a new bullion series to meet increasing demand they are instead finding ways of working around their short sightedness with no regard for their customers.
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So i shouldnt use their website on the day?
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if they set an open book this is what we are minting this year at least then i have a choice but when they find out they screwed up on the numbers and mint privys to make the most out of any given year it really takes away my choices.
try walking around with a blind fold on its a painful experience
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When all is said and done it's the little things that make a difference with coins though. A lion privy coin (while it is for all intents and purposes the same) is not actually one of 300,000 limited mintage lunar coins.
In 80 years time it will not be viewed as one of the same coins. A 1926 perth mint sovereign is basically the same as a sydney mint but the value is vastly difference. All due to an almost invisible P as opposed to an S.
I think the value of the lunar coins dropped as a function of spot (perceived future price of silver), as people saw the price coming down more and more people sold (like a margin call) supply increased further and demand fell.
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^^^ 80 years is a little longer than I had in mind for my investment time horizon !
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I'm looooonnnnnnnnng silver ![]()
Of course my time frame is shorter than 80 years also, just illustrating the point that they are not the same coin even though they look alike. I believe their future values will reflect this. It will not be possible to make a complete set of privy coins and as a collector, even though there are less of them I wouldn't want a privately commissioned privy version of the coin I actually wanted to buy - I would want the original.
The Perth Mint is a business that is there to make money, I really don't understand why people are amazed that all of these coins keep being released - the simple answer is because people are buying them.
While I don't agree with a lot of what happened with re-minting kooks and the re-release of the mouse coins; personally, I don't know why you wouldn't try and get a 3 coin set and plain silver proof from the mint. In my view, you are almost guaranteed to sell for a profit on eBay. I respect not buying on moral grounds I suppose - at the end of the day, if I can purchase and sell a couple of sets and make enough that the set I keep for my own collection effectively cost nothing then that is what I will do every time.
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I can foresee a new version of this being made ![]()

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I too Got burnt... as a result i am no longer talking to the owners of my favourite coin shop (who must of themselves got semi-ripped to sell to me for 1100, Also i got some off Ainslie so am real pissed about the dragon release and how i let myself buy into the hype and let others take advantage of my weakness.
I am more pissed the PM reminted them with a lion privy for sale @ $35 each which was surely why the non-privy has had a massive nose dive. (and the fact they are more limited than the inital release.
I can accept personal blame for buying them in the first place but the PM reminting them with privy was the cherry on top.. i now actively talk PM product down and warn others that no investment in PM product is a safe investment as they dont value there customers hard earnt money.. only there selfish profit maximisting motives.
Ill be getting a couple of cheap rolls from BB but if that falls through ill be VERY happy getting RCM wildlife series and Takus, elephants, noahs ark etc for cheaper (and sell them for more!)
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Such short term thinking... Grab an extra few thousand dollars and permanently damage the credibility of Perth Mint 'mintage limits'.
They could have made a coin of anything else FFS.
I didn't even buy a single dragon and it makes my blood boil!
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Anyone know when the dealers will be told of their 1oz allocations ?
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Mid August... so either this week or next at a guess.
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Does anybody know when they will lift the picture embargo for the snake?
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Anyone know when the dealers will be told of their 1oz allocations ?
Early next week, but see below.
Does anybody know when they will lift the picture embargo for the snake?
The advertising embargo date is 27th August 2012 (Monday after next). From this date distributors will be able to advertise the coins and display images of them - orders can't be taken prior to this date.
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Matthew 26:14 wrote:Anyone know when the dealers will be told of their 1oz allocations ?
Early next week, but see below.
PeacePeople wrote:Does anybody know when they will lift the picture embargo for the snake?
The advertising embargo date is 27th August 2012 (Monday after next). From this date distributors will be able to advertise the coins and display images of them - orders can't be taken prior to this date.
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Can someone recall how much more a Lunar 2 coin should cost compared with a Koala or Kookaburra or are they about the same? Does anyone expect the snake to be sold at the 'normal' pre dragon rates? I am trying to get an idea % wise what I should be paying outside Australia for them on release above the others to determine if it is worth it.
Thanks.
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Can someone recall how much more a Lunar 2 coin should cost compared with a Koala or Kookaburra or are they about the same?
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From the Perth Mint? Same.
From a distributor or reseller? Who knows.
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Can someone recall how much more a Lunar 2 coin should cost compared with a Koala or Kookaburra or are they about the same? Does anyone expect the snake to be sold at the 'normal' pre dragon rates? I am trying to get an idea % wise what I should be paying outside Australia for them on release above the others to determine if it is worth it.
Thanks.
Try to buy here and pay the shipping (from pm bullion site if you make the papers) or from forum members
Last year the dragon bu go for 40 release price and go for more than 60/70 in ebay and coins dealers.
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Anyone know when the dealers will be told of their 1oz allocations ?
Distributors have been advised today of allocations.
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does that mean they can start selling them?
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Matthew 26:14 wrote:Anyone know when the dealers will be told of their 1oz allocations ?
Distributors have been advised today of allocations.
How would you describe the feeling among dealers of the allocations goldpelican? And how did your allocation go?
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