1885 jubilee sovereign?

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 19:50:26

Hi looking for any info on 1885 sovereign with jubilee head, have been told it is a fake but it checks out re weight size etc. It should have a young Victoria head , any assistance would be appreciated.

spannermonkey · 2012-08-01 19:52:11

A photo would help

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 20:03:52

Yea, I will try to post a pic, will take some time to photograph etc. I can tell you that there is no mint mark, so must be London mint ( if real) it is dragon type ,not shield. Bought it from local dealer who says he will refund me or swap for another coin.

spannermonkey · 2012-08-01 20:05:55

I can only think its a jewellers copy ,but the numi guys would know better .

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 20:56:16

YEP, I love computers, working out how to upload a photo, will post as soon as I can. ( if the computer survives that is ).

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 21:35:59

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 21:38:11

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 21:40:44

Above are photos of 1885 sov. hope the quality is good enough for you guys.

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 21:49:57

spannermonkey · 2012-08-01 22:00:51

I'm going with a jewellers copy ,where are the numi guy's

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 22:07:57

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-01 22:10:59

Posted 2 larger images, hope these are better quality, took some time to sort it out (posting photos) but got there in the end. Computer lives to see another day.

Ross · 2012-08-01 23:06:14

Been trying and failing for the last half hour to take a picture of my 1885 Sov which I bought two days ago. I hope its not fake.

Here's a crappy video of it instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLHdcbiS … e=youtu.be

Even my videos come out rubbish lol.

Last edited by Ross (2012-08-01 23:12:24)

BrickInTheWall · 2012-08-01 23:18:59

I'm going for a real sovereign. There appears to be the right level of detail in the horse tail, horse body, dragon, etc ... in the couple of jeweller's copies I have seen, that level of detail hasn't been there.

I am also happy to be told I am wrong, by those who know much more on these issues than me. If it is a fake, it would be great to hear what the obvious features were that identified it as such.

nicwinner · 2012-08-01 23:45:30

hi, cannot provide any further helps unless more clear and detial pics be uploaded. try 2000*1500 size. cheers

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Dusty Roads · 2012-08-02 00:23:57

Thanks for comments guys, Ross your coin looks like the real deal, it has the correct head and is "upside down" to the opposing side as it should be, check out weight and size just to be on the safe side.

Some other imfornation about my coin that you may not be able to tell from the photos, it has no B.P. beside the date which is not unusal but it does have j.e.b. under victoria in the correct position.

Photos are about the best quality that I can manage, wil try to improve but can't promise success.

Photonaware · 2012-08-02 07:11:30

I checked my copy of Marsh.
No mint mark does mean London.
Mintage for 1885 only 717,723 so categorised as scarce.
That in itself triggers caution !
According to Marsh this coin should have a reverse axis and looking at your pictures this might not be the case.
Also, it should have the B.P. mark right of the date.
First assumption is it is a fake but you need to get this checked by a professional or for the benefit of doubt get your money refunded and buy another sovereign.

spannermonkey · 2012-08-02 07:16:31

Photonaware wrote:

I checked my copy of Marsh.
No mint mark does mean London.
Mintage for 1885 only 717,723 so categorised as scarce.
That in itself triggers caution !
According to Marsh this coin should have a reverse axis and looking at your pictures this might not be the case.
Also, it should have the B.P. mark right of the date.
First assumption is it is a fake but you need to get this checked by a professional or for the benefit of doubt get your money refunded and buy another sovereign.

What got me is there doesn't seem to be enough detail & it's all uniform ,I still think it's a jewellers copy .

Byron · 2012-08-02 09:56:32

Jubilee Heads were first minted in 1887 and not 1885.

That's a bad sign for yours.

Austacker · 2012-08-02 14:53:50

Byron wrote:

Jubilee Heads were first minted in 1887 and not 1885.
That's a bad sign for yours.

Agree I checked all Australian and European references and correct, nothing before 1885

So Jewelers copy at best, complete fake at worst.

This is the Great Britain details FYI

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-02 18:47:13

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS. I was aware of the jubilee head being 1887 onwards, so I guess it is probally a jewelers copy since the weight and size are correct, a fake would not pass these tests. I thought copies had to be marked or stamped to show what they are. I suppose the hope that it was a rare mule is fading fast, will have to cancel the order for the Mercedes with all the bells and whistles.

Austacker · 2012-08-02 18:57:13

Here is a good link, future reading for you - http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/fakes.html

Philski · 2012-08-16 22:07:43

it isnt right. Wrong Obverse.
Great copy though.

Austacker · 2012-08-17 00:23:14

When you say it passed all the tests what actually did you test, I see you did weight and size (Diameter) was there anything else ? Otherwise these two tests will not prove a fake or real coin. Apologies if I missed it mentioned earlier.

Dusty Roads · 2012-08-17 12:48:02

Yep, checked weight and size (diameter and width) and all check out. I thought that once these checked out that it had to be the correct gold content at least and not a 9 ct gold coin which would weigh less. Or have I got that wrong? Any adviced re other tests would be appreciated.

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