Australian Government plan to your hold internet data for 2 years

TeaPot&ChopSticks · 2012-07-12 20:08:16

Thursday, July 12, 2012 » 06:35pm

The govt says national security needs to be balanced with an individual's right to phone and online privacy.

Both Labor and the coalition agree on need to balance national security needs with an individual's right to privacy of phone and internet data.

But both Labor and the coalition agree there is a need to balance national security requirements with an individual's right to privacy.

Data will be retained for up to two years and the agencies given increased access to social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter, under a suite of new proposals being considered by a parliamentary committee.

Australians would be forced to hand over their computer passwords.

Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury said it was important for the nation's intelligence agencies to have access to information they needed to protect the nation.

'But, of course, there is always going to be an important need for us to balance that against the protection of the privacy of the individual,' he told Sky News on Thursday.

Senior opposition frontbencher Bruce Billson agreed there needed to be a right balance.

'The new technology, social media, the whole digital space is putting real pressure on law enforcement and on people's privacy,' he said.

'Getting those new tools right for this new environment is a really tough, challenging task.'

The proposals are outlined in a discussion paper released by the Attorney-General's Department for consideration by parliament's joint houses committee on intelligence and national security.

The committee has been asked to inquire into the lawful access to communications and associated data to reduce the risks to Australia's communication networks from certain foreign technology and service suppliers, and boosting the operations of Australian intelligence community agencies.

One proposal under consideration is allowing Australia's foreign intelligence services to monitor citizens overseas if an an officer from the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) is not available.

ASIO has been the sole agency allowed to collect data on Australian citizens.

Submissions to the inquiry are due by August 6. The committee intends holding a series of public and closed hearings.

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStor … 71021.html

TeaPot&ChopSticks · 2012-07-12 20:08:58

Thursday, July 12, 2012 » 02:41pm

Gov proposal to hold phone internet data

The Parliamentary joint committee on intelligence and security will be reviewing proposals to expand surveillance powers.

This includes a controversial plan to authorise holding phone and internet data of all Australians for two years.

A similar proposal was brought up in the United Kingdom, but was deemed too long to hold information. The UK proposal however was only for 12 months.

Assistant treasurer David Bradbury told Sky News 'In this day and age an age where governments all around the world are grappling with the challenges of terrorism, and organised crime, it is important that our relevant agencies have access to the information they need'

'But of course there is always going to be an important need for us to balance against that, the protection of the privacy of individuals'.

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStor … 70867.html

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dragafem · 2012-07-12 20:22:43

like any ISP doesn't know yr password already...:)and what are we gonna do about it? the same we've done against carbon tax...nothing,live with it and forget it...:)

dragafem · 2012-07-12 20:27:15

another thought about privacy and privacy rights...paypal just asked for my personal emails because of my increased transactions:)..it did,from 2-3 a month to 10/month:)

there is no such thing as privacy anymore:)

boyracer · 2012-07-12 21:38:53

dragafem wrote:

another thought about privacy and privacy rights...paypal just asked for my personal emails because of my increased transactions:)..it did,from 2-3 a month to 10/month:)
there is no such thing as privacy anymore:)

sorry what? On what basis did they feel they had a right to that info?

Damn I so hate paypal and their dodgy practices.

Dogmatix · 2012-07-12 21:54:54

Has anyone considered the storage costs of this?

Sounds like an extra cost... hrrmmm, those unlimited download plans suddenly look a bit more expensive!

This is crazy though. What is the goal? What are they actually trying to achieve? Because this is not the way to do it.

Man encrypting everything is going to be a PITA.

dragafem · 2012-07-12 21:59:25

boyracer wrote:

dragafem wrote:
another thought about privacy and privacy rights...paypal just asked for my personal emails because of my increased transactions:)..it did,from 2-3 a month to 10/month:)
there is no such thing as privacy anymore:)
sorry what? On what basis did they feel they had a right to that info?
Damn I so hate paypal and their dodgy practices.

exactly...and now my account has limited access...time to set up a new one:)

dex · 2012-07-12 22:16:36

Dogmatix wrote:

What is the goal? What are they actually trying to achieve?

To see and know as much as they can.

Dogmatix · 2012-07-12 22:21:52

dex wrote:

Dogmatix wrote:
What is the goal? What are they actually trying to achieve?
To see and know as much as they can.

Well yeah, but what is their publicised goal?

It's the same as those stupid x-ray scanners at the airport.

Invasion of privacy (and arguably health), for what exact outcome? How many terrorists do they catch?

What is next, hidden microphones all over the city so they can listen in to your conversations? Cameras in your home? Ankle bracelets for 'our safety', in case we get kidnapped?

Ack.

silversardine · 2012-07-12 22:22:44

dragafem wrote:

boyracer wrote:
dragafem wrote:
another thought about privacy and privacy rights...paypal just asked for my personal emails because of my increased transactions:)..it did,from 2-3 a month to 10/month:)
there is no such thing as privacy anymore:)
sorry what? On what basis did they feel they had a right to that info?
Damn I so hate paypal and their dodgy practices.
exactly...and now my account has limited access...time to set up a new one:)

How ridiculous - do Paypal want business or not! Isn't increased transactions a sign that you are using their service. Surely that crosses some sort of line.

trew · 2012-07-12 22:29:35

TeaPot&ChopSticks wrote:

This includes a controversial plan to authorise holding phone and internet data of all Australians for two years.

This sounds like the average journo reporting on something they don't understand.

Internet connection details could be stored and kept for 2 years. Ie. trew connected to silverstackers website on day/time
Just in the same way that phone companies keep records of each phone call made.

Internet data, on the other hand, would just be too massive to actually store for more than a few days, let alone two years.
The storage requirements and costs would be astronomical.

Kawa · 2012-07-12 22:50:22

I heard that about 25% of all internet connections are to Porn Sites.With this new initiative there could be a proper collation of the usage so the real % could be known.They could also track if the usage changed between seasons so we could get seasonally adjusted data.You would also be able to track which State are the biggest users of Porn and maybe have a National Porn League with a proper trophy on offer ( maybe the "Golden Raincoat Award")

Would be good for TV advertisers as well as they would be able to track when different demographics are on porn sites so they get better advertising penentration.

spannermonkey · 2012-07-12 22:55:37

Kawa wrote:

I heard that about 25% of all internet connections are to Porn Sites.With this new initiative there could be a proper collation of the usage so the real % could be known.They could also track if the usage changed between seasons so we could get seasonally adjusted data.You would also be able to track which State are the biggest users of Porn and maybe have a National Porn League with a proper trophy on offer ( maybe the "Golden Raincoat Award")
Would be good for TV advertisers as well as they would be able to track when different demographics are on porn sites so they get better advertising penentration.

OOOHHH stop giving them ideas
It'll probably be a new reality show next week

alor · 2012-07-12 22:59:28

Obama Seizes Control of All Communications Systems With Executive Order

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … &aid=31838

mikedm · 2012-07-12 23:27:03

storing dna from birth for 40 years

Big A.D. · 2012-07-13 00:12:56

trew wrote:

Internet data, on the other hand, would just be too massive to actually store for more than a few days, let alone two years.
The storage requirements and costs would be astronomical.

From: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno … 21y34.html

The cost of keeping data was another huge issue with running a data retention scheme, the source said. They estimated it would cost Australian ISPs roughly $14.4 million to purchase the amount of hard disk drives required to store data reliably for a period of 24 months and allow for rapid access of data.
There were also other costs that would run into the hundreds of millions such as running a data centre to store the data.
"You can dream up ways in which this could be done," the ISP source said.
"But when you have to add up all of the costs associated with achieving that you come up with a price tag that adds potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to running the internet in Australia.
"And if that's considered acceptable and we get hundreds of millions of dollars worth of value from that exercise then perhaps there's an argument for it. But it looks to me very much like an example of security theatre and the actual results from it are likely to be of relatively low value.
"Perhaps we'd get a better result if we'd spent hundreds of millions more on our police forces instead?"

(My bold).

So...fifteen million bucks for the hard drives and hundreds of millions to make the whole Big Brother apparatus work.

goldpelican · 2012-07-13 01:00:16

The carbon tax component alone on the air conditioning bill makes the whole thing unviable

LovingtheSilver · 2012-07-13 02:04:11

How much would it cost? I dont think the government will care, Information Storage Tax. They've shorn us that much already, soon they will be coming along with tweezers to pluck hairs from our ears and noses.

trew · 2012-07-13 02:20:30

The whole thing is a stupid idea.

Would they really be prepared to pay to store the entire contents of movies people download ?
Not to mention enormous amounts of porn.

And what about all the encrypted traffic going though VPNs etc, that would be pretty much useless because it couldn't be read.
Would they store that as well ?

I mean the govt is paying billions to build the NBN which will increase the traffic many times again.
Will they store all of that traffic ?

JulieW · 2012-07-13 04:07:24

Of course not. They only want your emails. They can ask Facebook for anything else.

Gino · 2012-07-13 05:19:55

Just like detention centres, naked body scanners and practically every other security initiative, it's just a scam for crony corporate monopolists in the American security industry to extend their corrupt business model beyond the shores of police state USA. The Atterney General, Nikola Roxon will do as she is told by the US embassy just like Anthony Albanese before her when he introduced the naked body scanners.

Next it will be mandated that 5 minute GPS samples be taken and recorded for all enabled devices and then those concepts will just continuously and relentlessly be extended through compounding legislation over the coming years that will each be defended under reasonable arguments until our children are implanted with RFID/GPS chips and can be remote controlled by central intelligence at their whim.

They are an immoral pack of preditors, preying on the lives of everyone.

If they cared at all, they would regulate the porn industry and police all Internet porn sites into a separate domain that individuals could choose to block or not. Empowering responsible parents. But instead we get this insane approach of turning everyone into perverts and potential criminals.

Our apathy is not an accident either but medically induced via fluoridation of your water, but we are too apathetic to oppose even that!

It is hideous if you think about it, but of course hardly anyone can because they (and you?) are medicated zombies and don't even know it.

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elykneros · 2012-07-13 08:26:58

Time to get that overseas VPN proxy server account up and running...

bordsilver · 2012-07-13 11:59:58

alor wrote:

Obama Seizes Control of All Communications Systems With Executive Order
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … &aid=31838

Wow. That is screwed up.

In the event of a natural disaster (or other emergency) every news outlet is constantly providing a nearly continuous stream of relevant information and updates (including - or especially - government announcements).

So why write a law where: "

In the event of an "emergency" the Secretary of Commerce will allow for the takeover of radio frequencies as well as television and digital communications with the use of electromagnetics. These communicative abilities are now "belonging to and operated by the Federal Government" as resources to be utilized "during a crisis or emergency".

The only reason I can think of for such a draconian move would be to STOP transmission of unwanted information during an "emergency".

willrocks · 2012-07-13 12:36:13

If you don't like these new laws, and let's face it, there's not much to like. Use a proxy service such as newipnow.com.

thatguy · 2012-07-13 12:40:48

They put in these laws because we pay them tax and they need something to waste it on. The only function of tax is to increase government size and control F'ing control freaks. Do not fear terrorism FEAR BIG GOVERNMENT!!! AARRGGGRRRR RAGE!
rant over

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